[FAILED 07/04/09] [Citizen] Glen Quagmire (Patron: Celsius)

**Astaroth** · June 25, 2009, 05:50 AM

Citzenship

Glen Quagmire

To become a citizen I think means taking on extra responsibilities for yourself as this and the citizens badge go hand in hand. When I first joined TWC I used to wonder in bewilderment who these citizens were, and what one had to do to be accepted as a citizen. As the months past I began to learn more of the title and decided perhaps one day I would be accepted as a citizen.

As to my contributions on TWC here is my resume although it is not really my decision if they count as true contributions or not that is in the hands of others and if they deem them worthy or not

During my time as a member of TWC I have taken an active roll as a Local Moderator for the God Save The King, role-playing game in the AAR forums,and have devoted many hours to this game and the moderating of it, ensuring that some semblance of order is kept in there.

I have also since March of this year been a content writer for the eagle standard and have had several articles included in the issues of the standard. My contributions to the Forums as a whole may be small in comparison of other members but I do always take an active roll and interest in what ever I am partaking in at TWC.

Here are the links to my Articles for the Eagle Standard they are under my old forum name of Lord Flasheart as this name is a recent charge for me.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=229741

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=253592

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=265717

Patron: Celsius
CdeC members,

I have known Quagmire since he signed up for TWC. He has expressed his ability to make things happen. He is one of the main reason why the most popular Community game is God Save the King. When he joined the Eagle standard, his writing skills were, and still are, magnificent. He can always comes to agreements and allowing him to enter the capitol as a Citizen is the best thing to award him for his dedication to TWC.

Thank you,
Celsius

**Astaroth** · June 25, 2009, 06:33 AM

I read through his posting history and had a look at his three articles for the Eagle Standard. While he seems to be interested in contributing to the TWC, I don't think that his contributions are worthy of Citizenship yet. He has only written three articles so far and all of them are relatively short. Not to mention that there are several grammatical errors as well. While he is also a local moderator for GSTK, he seems to spend most of his time there playing the game rather than moderating it.

If he keeps contributing to the ES I might vote for him in the future but it's a no for now.

**Xavier Dragnesi** · June 26, 2009, 05:16 AM

I'm inclined to vote a yes. His work in the ES has been of a high standard, and I have seen his participation and contribution in the ES forum. I also know of his work in regard to GSTK, and it held in great esteem there. I am leaning towards a yes, unless someone can convince me otherwise.

**Astaroth** · June 26, 2009, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by Xavier Dragnesi

I'm inclined to vote a yes. His work in the ES has been of a high standard, and I have seen his participation and contribution in the ES forum. I also know of his work in regard to GSTK, and it held in great esteem there. I am leaning towards a yes, unless someone can convince me otherwise.

Hm, I don't have much experience with GSTK but from what I've seen he seems to spend considerably more time playing the game than actually moderating or organizing it. On top of that, being a local moderator isn't a noteworthy contribution in itself, unless one moderates a very busy forum and does an exceptional job at that. And to be honest, I don't think the candidate fulfills these criteria yet.
His ES articles aren't bad but he has only written three of them so far and none of them is of a particularly outstanding quality as far as I can tell.

In conclusion, I simply don't think that being a local moderator and writing three average articles is enough.

**Pontifex Maximus** · June 26, 2009, 07:00 AM

Three editions of the ES is not enough for citizenship.

**the Black Prince** · June 27, 2009, 11:06 AM

close but no smoking cylindrical thing

**Soulghast** · June 27, 2009, 11:24 AM

Poll added.

**Justinian** · June 27, 2009, 11:58 AM

Just wasn't quite enough right now to impress me, if he keeps at it it will be a yes.

**Xavier Dragnesi** · June 27, 2009, 03:36 PM

I reconsidered.

**Captain Blackadder** · June 27, 2009, 08:23 PM

I will abstain from this one. I play the game a lot and in my mind I am biased towards him. I am confidant that he will get it soon especially with the mod that he is creating based on the story of the rpg.

**y2day** · June 27, 2009, 10:28 PM

Not quite there yet, no for me.

**Viking Prince** · June 27, 2009, 10:41 PM

This is a bit of a problem for me. As noted, the articles are short, but shorter articles are best for the ES. They do need an edit though.

Is English a first language? I am assuming so since he resides in England, but this could be a factor for the ES writing.

As far as RPG -- he can be both a moderator and a player. The huge number of posts would hide the few moderation/org actions. There are a large number of thread starts -- this suggests an active hand in promotion (whether that be as a player or organizer might be a fine line)

I will lean towards a yes. If he does not become a citizen this time, he will the next.

**Augustus Lucifer** · June 28, 2009, 10:30 PM

I have to agree, three articles for the ES of moderate quality aren't up to snuff for Citizenship. As a publication the ES is struggling, it seems to be catering to a non-existent or uninformed of its existence audience.

We count contribution to staff publications as merit for Citizenship, but we ignore the fact that it is a once a month job, about the length of a quality debate post except without the burden of formulating an opinion, and with an average of less than 1,000 views in a month(less than most AARs average). If it weren't officially sanctioned we wouldn't even consider it unless it was like 12 issues and then we'd probably still ask for more if they were 12 issues of the general quality standard we see recently.

To me this notion that official publications like the ES or Helios have some fleeting importance to the ebb and flow of the forum seems to be restricting our view of what the real meat of them is. If we started officially sanctioning AARs to be commissioned then maybe more AAR writers would make it through.

Anyone see where I'm going with this? Maybe we should stop viewing staff publications with any special treatment or quantity statute(6 = citizenship, 12 = citizenship, or what have you), and start viewing them the same way we would view those if they were posts around the forum. If the articles were filling a pressing need and knowledge gap between staff and members then that's one thing, but they're just musings on what goes on in the forums that few enough people bother to read. I say this as someone who has contributed thus far 3 articles to the ES and will likely do more in the future, that I personally wouldn't go counting myself a Citizen on my articles(even if I wrote 12 of them), which I feel are above average.