VARIAGMOD: UNITS for RTW - new skins & models

[Big Bear]

Great figures, just had a couple running. Any chance of these Greeks being put on a download, the metal work looks particularly good.

Big Bear

[KLAssurbanipal]

Mc.Gorby You are one of the best Ancient skinner on RTW

[Mr.Gorby]

Mc.Gorby You are one of the best Ancient skinner on RTW

Friend, this is not me, this is NEO and Variag. That these guys love their job. Variag very busy yet, but the NEO has promised to come here when he was freed. He will soon finish line of the Greeks, Macedonians and begins to do. I you will get acquainted with him.

[Emperor Domitianus]

Are you going to make Romans and Carthaginians too? I think that this excellent work demonstrate that RTW engine is as good as M2TW one.

[Dog Fart]

Are you going to make Romans and Carthaginians too? I think that this excellent work demonstrate that RTW engine is as good as M2TW one.

Finally, someone with common sense! I truely thank you for that remark.

[Legio]

I second this. The skins here are superb.

[Amorphos]

I love these units and formerly request usage in my mods if that’s ok!

[Mr.Gorby]

Сlick pitures

[AqD]

Сlick pitures

I really like the work you guys have done, I think you would be equal to anyone in the world if you upgraded to 512.

No not really. 512 is only enough for the basic parts: head, body, chest etc. It's still too small for complete shield, cloak, weapons; also you cannot unwrap the whole body to have asymmetric patterns.....

Here is the best result I can get with 512x512, based on RTW officer model. As you see it's all filled and there is no more room to add even a non-stretched cover for the badly-mapped torso-neck area....

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WE NEED 1024x1024!!!


or 2048x2048..... I have seen that in Mount&Blade and it's stunning....

[Hannibal Smith]

WE NEED 1024x1024!!!

or 2048x2048.....

Sorry but I totally disagree.
M2TW uses 1024x1024 but gets multiple units out of that texture maybe up to 6. With some planning and thought 512x512 is more than enough, you just need to be efficient with the space you have, not using large areas of the skin for very small parts of the model. You have to think how much is going to be seen in game. Are we making units for the game or just renders and movie_cam screen shots. 2048x2048 is 16 times bigger than 512x512 are you even going to see the detail?

I think you would be equal to anyone in the world if you upgraded to 512.

I think that they are already as good as anyone's Ive seen, in fact this thread depresses me, I thought I was getting good until I saw this

Anything that you can fit on to a 512x512 texture can fit onto a 256x256 the only difference is that you will lose some quality. From what I have read I think that NEO is suggesting that you cant really see much difference in game. Either way its obvious that he/she knows what they are doing and they have already explained why they have chosen 256, and after all it is their decision to make.

I'm just grateful that they have released the skins, I'm looking forward to the Greeks

[AqD]

Sorry but I totally disagree.
M2TW uses 1024x1024 but gets multiple units out of that texture maybe up to 6. With some planning and thought 512x512 is more than enough, you just need to be efficient with the space you have, not using large areas of the skin for very small parts of the model. You have to think how much is going to be seen in game. Are we making units for the game or just renders and movie_cam screen shots. 2048x2048 is 16 times bigger than 512x512 are you even going to see the detail?

What?! movie_cam screens of course!! I also began to use some of my new units for loading screens...


Can you imagine playing the beautiful artistic units from VARIAGMOD made in 2048x2048 resolution, with full-antialiasing and anisotropic filter? It'd be better than watching blue-ray movies and put hollywood to shame!

[Amorphos]

Here is the best result I can get with 512x512, based on RTW officer model. As you see it's all filled and there is no more room to add even a non-stretched cover for the badly-mapped torso-neck area....

Nice skin indeed! Personally I don’t think it needs to be any better. If we go up to 1024 we may as well work on m2 as it will take ages for each skin.

Anything that you can fit on to a 512x512 texture can fit onto a 256x256 the only difference is that you will lose some quality.

I disagree, you cant get a decent face or much detail ~ I was continually frustrated by this when making sparta3. may i add that 256 skins are stretched onto the model by the game, many of my skins have 'blead' and pixelated after a few plays. with 512 they stay true to the original art more.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Sorry but I totally disagree.
M2TW uses 1024x1024 but gets multiple units out of that texture maybe up to 6. With some planning and thought 512x512 is more than enough, you just need to be efficient with the space you have, not using large areas of the skin for very small parts of the model. You have to think how much is going to be seen in game. Are we making units for the game or just renders and movie_cam screen shots. 2048x2048 is 16 times bigger than 512x512 are you even going to see the detail?

First, M2TW offers you 2 textures per unit not one with 1024x1024. When CA puts 6 bodies on a texture normally only the bodies and heads are on that texture and the second texture is filled up with equipment. There is nothing at all that limits the artist when using those two texture files. You can put as many or as few units as you want on it. And yes you are going to see that detail, everyone zooms in and you can clearly see the difference in clarity when zoomed in. You don't just need movie cam to see it.

I think that they are already as good as anyone's Ive seen, in fact this thread depresses me, I thought I was getting good until I saw this

Anything that you can fit on to a 512x512 texture can fit onto a 256x256 the only difference is that you will lose some quality. From what I have read I think that NEO is suggesting that you cant really see much difference in game. Either way its obvious that he/she knows what they are doing and they have already explained why they have chosen 256, and after all it is their decision to make.

I'm just grateful that they have released the skins, I'm looking forward to the Greeks

Clarity is a huge issue though is it not? I think that comparison between these skins and what ferres produces speaks volumes for making the switch to 512 in RTW.

[Hannibal Smith]

Ok maybe I didnt make my point clearly.

Firstly my comment on M2TW, the point that I was trying to make was that 512x512 is actually quite alot in comparison as its just one unit (my knowledge of M2 is limited however so I may be wrong). The skins for my carthaginians are all 512x512, I thought that was enough, that was my choice, NEO has made his/her choice.

Secondly the comment on detail was refering to 2048x2048 skin which although I have not tried it I find hard to believe that its going to be 16 times better than the 512x512 skin on the ferres model for example.

[Salvor Hardin]

The level of detail in the armour and clothes is simply astonishing.

[Stilgar CG]

Wholy crap ... the units you have shown are best among the best. Great job, Mr. Gorby and all responsible. ME

[Amorphos]

Most mods are now resizing the skins to 512pxl [double size], your artists could make some really nice units if they done the same! they are lovely already but i mean they could be awesome.

Can I get a link to download the mod? I don’t care what language it is in.

[Mr.Gorby]

Wholy crap ... the units you have shown are best among the best. Great job, Mr. Gorby and all responsible. ME

Gallo improvise Variag, it is his credit and honor.

Most mods are now resizing the skins to 512pxl [double size], your artists could make some really nice units if they done the same! they are lovely already but i mean they could be awesome.

Can I get a link to download the mod? I don’t care what language it is in.

Yes, I explain in the first post topics, that we laid out packs, with the consent of the authors. Use please, but do not forget to thank.

I have previously in this topic gave the example of thinking about NEO sizes 256 and 512. There I left him a quote.
Although, who knows, perhaps in the future.
Here NEO tried to compare his work at 256 and work 512.
Here are the differences they have, but not fundamentally. Click on the image twice, to expand the picture a few times in a row please.

[Legio]

Will Neo and his team come to TWC? These units just get better and better.

[Kylan271]

Oh gewd I think I will cry..hmm is it Xmas already??? I am rapt about the models yes,but I still am using warpsite,webbird and lusted models etc in game(Te Gold)as this what introduced me to RTW playing mainly. I have encountered also maximinius(oh spelling),SoR,arbaces,AR,HR,KLA,Laca,..bro Conquistador,Karlost,etc etc(sorry can't recall all names)and enjoyed RTW more from the days of vanilla. Cheers to all skinners in both here,the Org and elsewhere that have helped the game to be more enjoyable!!!! Here though I think is an opportunity to learn new skinning techniques as looking at model details..the greaves,insignia,flesh tones...and structure in dds seems completely different from what I have seen before. I am not a skinner sadly,but this is what I can see. If to learn how to improve the art in RTW then wow,..so thanks to the Russian team!!!!