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For converting him to atheism. I didn't know the guy, so I am genuinely interested. Do you think this guy seems intelligent? Reasonable? Convincing? And don't forget to motivate your stance!
http://debunkingchristianity.blogspo...er-slezak.html
Slezak's intervention begins at 3:40 minutes as specified on the site.
Last edited by Ummon; June 24, 2009 at 12:30 PM.
quaeri, si sapis
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He wouldn't convert me by a long shot.
EDIT: sorry, i thought you meant the first guy. He is ok, but tbh if i was a religious fundy then science means nothing to me anyway.
A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.
A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."
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Actually, the first guy seemed the average indoctrinated fundamentalist to me. No I was curious about the other.
Analogy Nazi
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Ah yes, I've seen this debate before.
Slezak has a very clear way of dissecting arguments and showing logical fallacies (probably because he's a professor in this matter), and I like the way he presents the arguments.
That being said, he does waste an awful lot of time debunking the typical run-of-the-mill christian arguments; he could have a more concise way of dealing with them.
He's pretty literate so he has my respect, and he doesn't put our side to shame
Haha, you konw, Dr. William Lane Craig is regarded as one of the best Christian debaters there are.Originally Posted by Ummon
But I've never understood what the hype about him is; or maybe it's just because I've heard those arguments too many times already.
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I found him very intelligent. But I don't think he's making an argument for atheism, but for agnosticism: he says it very well that we can't use scientific proof for things that are outside of the universe.
The video after that one (4 of 10) debunks the whole "it is very unprovable for this universe to exist".
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Domesticus
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Lucky us, a God outside the universe cannot reasonably be attributed with the usual omnipotent traits...
Of course, that doesn't solve the problem of where those "gods" came from..
Can they even be called gods if they do not possess godly powers?
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I think all Atheists are reasonable and convincing, therefore everyone should convert to Atheism. Atheism is the only reasonable option.
Reine
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Making a metaphysical space beyond the space is a nice reason to make God exist - but alas if he existed in such "space beyond the space", then would he really be omnipotent and infinite? This is a subject that requires much faith alas.
"Romans not only easily conquered those who fought by cutting, but mocked them too. For the cut, even delivered with force, frequently does not kill, when the vital parts are protected by equipment and bone. On the contrary, a point brought to bear is fatal at two inches; for it is necessary that whatever vital parts it penetrates, it is immersed. Next, when a cut is delivered, the right arm and flank are exposed. However, the point is delivered with the cover of the body and wounds the enemy before he sees it."
- Flavius Vegetius Renatus (in Epitoma Rei Militari, ca. 390)
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I know, but you're a respected poster here, you shouldn't answer like this.
God is not restricted to space and time. "Space" and "time" are just merely terms describing the physical universe, that was created by God. The infinite intelligence transcends these dimensions. God is the wholeness, physical universe is merely a part of it. The whole cannot be a part of its own part - such logical incoherence is horrendous even to mention.
Interesting assumption, are you a polytheist perhaps?
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"Absolute" concepts such as "infinite", "omnipotent" etc. are incoherent enough, methinks...
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Quite the opposite: I am a respected (but really) poster because I answer like this.I know, but you're a respected poster here, you shouldn't answer like this.
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Quite the opposite, but you may manage to convince someone if you keep this up.
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Define "infinite".
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How about *you* do it, seeing as how you were saying something along the lines of, quote, The infinite intelligence transcends these dimensions, unquote...?
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I suspect God exists both in this universe and any other, thus nulling infact the objection. God is this universe and any other, infact. Too.
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He makes awful little noise about Himself, in that case.
Biarchus
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But what if other organisms have a "God", are they the same, or is one older than the other?
Semisalis
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I was wondering, how do you seem to know that god is this universe and any other? How can you give attributes to something we can't know or understand? God can be anything imaginable and unimaginable, there are billions if not more, possible concepts of god that could be real, so stating any possible god's attribute as a fact is lunacy.
Why do even assume that the god(s) of our specific religion is the right one, when there are thousands of other religions and gods who are just as propable. That is why I can't understand religious folks. They just assume their god is the right one when it is most likely not and it should be obvious that none of the gods we know is the real one as none of the religions stand out as anything special as the religion of the real god should and would.
Last edited by Daeger; June 24, 2009 at 04:56 PM.
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Perhaps we are not listening on the right wavelength.
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Then it should be up to His omniscient and omnipotent ass to switch frequencies since he apparently regards it as important that people listen, orr at least that's what the believers strongly imply anyway. That'd be kind of like a radio station using a frequency completely different than what it advertises and then wondering why it doesn't get listeners...
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