Orc and Nazgul generals

[HannibalExMachina]

Something that striked me as a modder when first playing Mordor is the fact that there seem to be two types of generals with two different bodyguards.
Ive always assumed that MTW2 would allow only one model for generals (though multiple for leaders/heirs) and only one bodyguard type.

Now i am scratching my head furiously as i never found an answer to this question in neither forum nor tutorial....

[abbews]

It's possible as you said, just look at Mordor. I think EB II for RTW also has this feature.

I have no idea though how it's possible.

[JuL14n]

I think the multiple generals stratmodel function comes from Britannia which came with kingdoms,
I'm not sure, it could have been there before too.

And it's easy to change battlemodels and bodyguard, for spawned generals and generals that have been there
from the beginning. The rest will have the one and same general and bodyguard..

This is how it work

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strat_model mordor_general << Effect level 0
strat_model mordor_general <<< Effect level 1
strat_model witchking <<< Effect level 2
strat_model nazgul <<< Effect level 3

If a general has a trait(the nazgul trait) which have "effect level 3" he get's Nazgul strategic model

If a general get's effect level 2 (from Factionleader trait in this case) he get's Witchkings strategic model.

And no effects they get effect level 0

and here we got how the bodyguard and battlemodel works for generals
from the beginning, in descr_strat

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character Nazgula, named character, male, leader, age 35, x 290, y 138, portrait nazgul1, battle_model witchking, hero_ability The_Heart_of_the_Lion ;gorgoroth
traits Factionleader 1 , LoyaltyStarter 3 , GoodCommander 3 , BattleScarred 2, BattleDread 1 , CaptorDread 1 , GoodAttacker 1 , NightBattleCapable 1
ancillaries ring_nazgul, king_mordor
army
unit Black Numenorians exp 3 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Orc Band exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Orc Band exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Orc Band exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Mordor Orcs exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Mordor Scouts exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Mordor Scouts exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

and normal orc general

character Shaglur, named character, male, age 32, x 273, y 149 ;udun
traits LoyaltyStarter 1 , GoodCommander 1, BattleDread 1 , Bloodthirsty 1 , NightBattleCapable 1
ancillaries morannon
army
unit Uruk Bodyguards exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Orc Band exp 1 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Orc Band exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Mordor Orcs exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0
unit Mordor Scouts exp 0 armour 0 weapon_lvl 0

No battlemodel, then he get's the standard battlemodel that is controlled in descr_character

and for spawned generals in campaign_script

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monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType england
and I_SettlementOwner Gorgoroth = england
and I_TurnNumber = 150

spawn_army
faction england
character Nazgulf, named character, age 34, x 290, y 138, portrait nazgul6, battle_model mounted_nazgul
traits Nazgul 1, LoyaltyStarter 3 , GoodCommander 3 , BattleScarred 2, BattleDread 1 , CaptorDread 1 , NightBattleCapable 1
unit Black Numenorians exp 3 armour 1 weapon_lvl 0
end
set_counter nazgul 1
terminate_monitor
end_monitor

For Rome Total War, this function was available first in Alexander TW

[HannibalExMachina]

+rep, thank you very much.

i knew about changing the strat model, though i didnt know about the rest....

a shame you cant change the battle model during the game in the same way.

[JuL14n]

+rep, thank you very much.

i knew about changing the strat model, though i didnt know about the rest....

a shame you cant change the battle model during the game in the same way.

Well, it is possible to change the battle model during the game, only throught a script however..

From Teutonic, it should be possible to modify it to anyones needs.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

;--------------- HOCHMEISTER BATTLE MODEL -----------------;

;apply the Hochmeister battle_model to the Teutonic Order faction leader whenever a new leader is assigned
monitor_event BecomesFactionLeader FactionType teutonic_order

change_battle_model teutonic_order leader Teutonic_Hochmeister

end_monitor

@Souka: Stratmodel = strategic map model. Are we talking about the same thing?
And also it's easy to make recruitable generals.

[Souka]

I think the multiple generals stratmodel function comes from Britannia which came with kingdoms,
I'm not sure, it could have been there before too.

Actually RS (Roma surrectum for rome total war) have multiple bodyguards. In that mod you can recruit (governors=foot generals/generals=mounted generals) wich can be used as captains with different models than the original generals.

[OfficerJohn]

Nazgul = Family members
Orc generals = generals

Not hard, really...

[JuL14n]

Nazgul = Family members
Orc generals = generals

Not hard, really...

Not hard, but you were wrong.

Orc generals = family members
Nazgul = Their own model
Witchking = factionleader

[OfficerJohn]

Not hard, but you were wrong.

Orc generals = family members
Nazgul = Their own model
Witchking = factionleader

...
Witch King = Nazgul, I think

And leader is different from member anyways, I think... on battlemap, that is.

One is family member, and one is general...
Nazgul = general, in that case...

EDIT: Read your post above... pfft, why make it that hard?

[JuL14n]

...
Witch King = Nazgul, I think

And leader is different from member anyways, I think... on battlemap, that is.

One is family member, and one is general...
Nazgul = general, in that case...

EDIT: Read your post above... pfft, why make it that hard?

haha

All familymembers and generals have orc stratmodels.
Witchkings stratmodel works throught factionleader trait,
And nazgul stratmodels works throught Nazgul trait.

If an orc is factionleader, he'll get witchkingsstratmodel,
and if witchking have the nazgul trait he will use nazgul stratmodel.

And if witchking doesn't have the factionleader trait he uses orc stratmodel.

My first experience with all this was when updating this little mod here
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...260218&page=12

[HannibalExMachina]

Well, it is possible to change the battle model during the game, only throught a script however.

its indeed possible to change leader/heir models (both battle and strat) though impossible for other generals.

[jinjo]

hm interesting

[Jean=A=Luc]

hm interesting

It's useful necro posts like these that get threads

Closed.

Although if someone needs more info or has something useful to say (that concerns this topic) pm to reopen.