How do you understand Evolution?

[AscendingIndigo]

How do you define evoution?

1. Is it the random mutation of an organism through reproduction? (Xx+Yy= XX,YY,xx,yy,YX,yx)


2. Or is it defined by habits an organism adapts in order to fit into it's nich and the habits are passed on through heredity to better allow it's offspring to adapt to the same kind of enviornment even better than the parent could?

3. Other.

[Helm]

Well all of the above. And survival of the fittest makes sense as concept.

[spartan117]

Are the options you listed not able to coincide with one another?

The correct answer would be what the user Helm posted. Basically all of the above. Other can include some things you did not specifically mentioned.

This belongs in the science section of the discussion and debate unless you are directly insinuating a relationship between morality and evolution or evolution and philosophy in general.

Edit: Didnt realize you added a poll. Getting better at playing video games does not necessarily equate to some form of evolutionary process. Just as well chemical changes within your body does not necessarily equate to some form of evolutionary process.

[Pious Agnost]

Pretty much what they said.

[AscendingIndigo]

Are the options you listed not able to coincide with one another?

The correct answer would be what the user Helm posted. Basically all of the above. Other can include some things you did not specifically mentioned.

This belongs in the science section of the discussion and debate unless you are directly insinuating a relationship between morality and evolution or evolution and philosophy in general.

I can see many ways philosophy and evolution can combine into one but this topic is ment to get an idea how people here atleast understand evolution.

The first option suggests a process where genetics pass on random traits to an offspring. The second option suggests that the genetics to be passed on are earned by the organism in it's attempts to survive. The second option also suggests that evolution is a choice.

So if you chose option 2 then it could easily be looked at as a philosophy but more like a 'fill-in-the-blank' philosophy.

I guess your right though, I should have made it an option to choose more than one selection.

[black-dragon]

I can see many ways philosophy and evolution can combine into one but this topic is ment to get an idea how people here atleast understand evolution.

The first option suggests a process where genetics pass on random traits to an offspring. The second option suggests that the genetics to be passed on are earned by the organism in it's attempts to survive. The second option also suggests that evolution is a choice.

So if you chose option 2 then it could easily be looked at as a philosophy but more like a 'fill-in-the-blank' philosophy.

I guess your right though, I should have made it an option to choose more than one selection.

The second one sounds like Lamarckism, which may in some cases be true, but really not the best way to look at evolution in general.

[AscendingIndigo]

The second one sounds like Lamarckism, which may in some cases be true, but really not the best way to look at evolution in general.

Explain why that is please. If the habits an individual organism creates for itself are also passed onto its offspring then why would a view defining that be a bad idea?

[black-dragon]

Explain why that is please. If the habits an individual organism creates for itself are also passed onto its offspring then why would a view defining that be a bad idea?

Most habits that the organism learns aren't passed onto offspring though.

[black-dragon]

The change in the gene pool composition of a population from one generation to another. Individual organisms themselves do not adapt.

[AscendingIndigo]

The change in the gene pool composition of a population from one generation to another. Individual organisms themselves do not adapt.

How do you explain the ability to learn that every individual organism has then?

[black-dragon]

How do you explain the ability to learn that every individual organism has then?

Most learning isn't hereditary. The ability to learn, I don't know. I'm guessing that's got to do with "brain stuff". I meant adapt as in change their genes to adapt to the environment.

[AscendingIndigo]

Most learning isn't hereditary. The ability to learn, I don't know. I'm guessing that's got to do with "brain stuff". I meant adapt as in change their genes to adapt to the environment.

How else do you think that happens unless the organism makes the effort to adapt? It wont just happen magically, it takes time, repetition and strain for adaptation to be earned.

[black-dragon]

How else do you think that happens unless the organism makes the effort to adapt? It wont just happen magically, it takes time, repetition and strain for adaptation to be earned.

What data backs this up..? As I've said, Lamarckism has been discredited in most cases of evolution. Anyway, a genetic mutation could occur which results in a change in behavior.

[Ummon]

Evolution is the fully mechanical transience of form into function (and vice-versa) on an environemental, systemic base, through time.

What data backs this up..?

It's his own personal vision. A personal myth if you will.

[Juvenal]

How do you define evoution?

1. Is it the random mutation of an organism through reproduction? (Xx+Yy= XX,YY,xx,yy,YX,yx)

2. Or is it defined by habits an organism adapts in order to fit into it's nich and the habits are passed on through heredity to better allow it's offspring to adapt to the same kind of enviornment even better than the parent could?

3. Other.

The random mutation of an organism through reproduction is a necessary prerequisite for evolution, along with mutations being inheritable, and the existence of environmental factors that determine the reproductive success of different mutations.

Evolution is the gradual change of organisms over multiple generations to better fit their environment, a process that can include the emergence of new species and the extinction of old ones. It can occur as a result of mutation and natural selection, but also as a result of cross-breeding and "human" selection as with domestic animals and commercial plant varieties.

Point 2 is either Lamarckism which has been discredited in favour of random mutation as a cause for evolution, or a reference to animal culture.

[Manco]

Point 2 isn't necessary Lamarckism, we could also see it as some sort of social and cultural evolution. Though that is only marginally connected with the biological theory of evolution. Using the word heredity however does seem to point towardss Lamarckism


But 1 isn't exactly correct either. Or at least it's way too simplified.

[Ummon]

AscendingIndigo, I am reluctant to tell you, but although innocuous, your vision of these matters is more akin to a delirium than anything else.

Being a delirium an erroneous conviction impossible to correct even in the face of logical confutation and empirical evidence of the contrary.

[AscendingIndigo]

AscendingIndigo, I am reluctant to tell you, but although innocuous, your vision of these matters is more akin to a delirium than anything else.

Being a delirium an erroneous conviction impossible to correct even in the face of logical confutation and empirical evidence of the contrary.

How am I disagreeing with you and how are you disagreeing with me? First off how are you saying that you have disproved my theory?

[Ummon]

1) the habits you have do not pass to offspring.
2) the predisposition to form those habits will not with all likelyhood pass to offspring being based on polygenic inheritance (short of cross-linkage of the most fortunate kind).
3) Natural selection doesn't make sure that only the strongest survive: there is no such thing as "strength" in nature's terms.
4) nothing makes you evolve. You(r species) evolve(s) as part of a natural process.

[Ummon]

You make these Lamarckian threads once in a while. I have not "disproven" your theory, in the sense that it is not possible to disprove something so incoherent and whimsical. I have suggested and shown you multiple reasons why you should try to study the matter instead of reproposing this nonsense periodically. But this is unfortunately not enough.