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    Default Sarkozy addresses entire parliament, first such speech in 150 years

    French President Nicolas Sarkozy delved into key issues such as the financial crisis, the debate on the Islamic burqa, and government spending in a landmark address to both houses of parliament at the Château of Versailles near Paris.

    French presidents have for more than 150 years been barred from entering parliament to ensure the legislature's independence from the executive. Sarkozy’s Monday speech follows constitutional revisions lifting the ban in June 2008.

    Addressing the financial crisis, Sarkozy said the government would take a national loan from the market or the public to finance key investments in the wake of the financial crisis. This announcement comes despite warnings from the European Central Bank over the weekend that there was no room for European governments to raise new debt to help pay for further spending programmes.

    He however provided few further details of the loan. "As for the loan, its volume, its details, those will be decided once we have agreed on our priorities together," said Sarkozy

    "I will take the necessary steps to ensure that this loan is exclusively dedicated to strategic priorities for our future," Sarkozy said.

    Sarkozy, who has frequently lambasted "Anglo Saxon capitalism", said the crisis highlighted the virtues of France's traditional policies of strong public investment and relatively generous social spending.

    "The crisis has brought the French model back into fashion," he said.

    The French leader vowed to push his proposal to allow employees, laid off due to cost-cutting, to keep a year’s salary and receive professional training for one year and ruled out tax increases to balance public spending.

    "I will not increase taxes because an increase in taxes would delay the end of the crisis, and because by increasing taxes when we are at our level of taxation, we would not reduce deficits, we would increase them," he said.

    Sarkozy said policies to tackle the financial crisis were top priority for French PM François Fillon’s government, due to be reshuffled on Wednesday.

    Burqa ‘not welcome’ in France

    During his speech, Sarkozy also weighed in on raging about the use of burqas, the all-encompassing female Islamic garb, in France. “The burqa is not a sign of religion,” said Sarkozy, “it is a sign of subservience." The French president then went on to add that the garment was “an unwelcome sight in France”.

    Nearly 60 French legislators signed a proposal calling for a parliamentary commission to look into the spread of the burqa, a garment that they said amounted "to a breach of individual freedoms on our national territory". But while the proposal to hold an inquiry enjoys wide public support in France, it has been criticised by the official French Muslim council. France is home to Europe’s largest Muslim population.

    Opposition criticises speech as attack on republican values

    The French president’s speech at the special session drew strong criticism from opposition parties, who called it an attack on republican values. Green and Communist lawmakers boycotted the speech while the Socialists, the main opposition party, agreed to attend but refused to exercise their right to comment during a brief debate held after the president left.

    François Bayrou, a former presidential candidate and head of the centrist Modern Democratic party, told the press, “A parliament that represents the people should not accept a situation in which they are addressed without being able to answer back to the speaker.”
    http://www.france24.com/en/20090622-...ech-versailles

    What do you think about the speech? and it's a good solution for the opposition parties to boycott this speech?

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    He has spoken, They Muslims have to change their Burka.
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    Default Re: Sarkozy addresses entire parliament, first such speech in 150 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Darsh View Post
    and it's a good solution for the opposition parties to boycott this speech?
    He should just get it over with, and declare himself King of France.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    He should just get it over with, and declare himself King of France.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    He should just get it over with, and declare himself King of France.
    Why only go half way with Kind. Why not call himself the Emperor of a nth French Empire

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    Quote Originally Posted by nemgod View Post
    Why only go half way with Kind. Why not call himself the Emperor of a nth French Empire
    Yea then conquer britian to revenge for 100 years war!

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    Sarkozy the Berk more like. The more I see of him the more I dislike his playing-to-the-crowd mentally, more so than even our beloved leader. Why can't France have a likeable person as President? Like Eric Cantona.
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    Default Sarkozy says no to Burqas

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20090622...s-b3150e0.html

    "Burqas are not welcome in France because they are a symbol of the subjugation of women"

    Ridiculous. The Burqas apparently subjugate, so they decide to subjugate people further by not letting certain pieces of clothing be worn. Doesn't Sarkozy realise the hypocrisy?

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    I agree with him completely. The burqa is an affront to civilisation. Lines must be drawn, and he drew them appropriately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I agree with him completely. The burqa is an affront to civilisation. Lines must be drawn, and he drew them appropriately.
    I dont always agree with what the French do at times .....but in this regard, I agree with Sarkozy's decision and stance fully.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I agree with him completely. The burqa is an affront to civilisation. Lines must be drawn, and he drew them appropriately.
    + rep

    Hijabs, acceptable as long as they're not obligatory.
    They're not exactly culturally invasive either..

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I agree with him completely. The burqa is an affront to civilisation. Lines must be drawn, and he drew them appropriately.
    I agree. Sarkozy really does have guts, especially since France has the more Muslims than any other country in Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beren Erchamion View Post
    I agree. Sarkozy really does have guts, especially since France has the more Muslims than any other country in Europe.
    Who ever says France doesnt have guts is a ing .

    Hitler fault for all of this anyway. If he never started that goddamn war the european countries would never have had to recruit foreign labor.

    Personally I think its too hot to wear a burqa in France so this is a good policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beren Erchamion View Post
    I agree. Sarkozy really does have guts, especially since France has the more Muslims than any other country in Europe.
    He only brought this point up AFTER the French parliament started the discussion.

    And he didn't say he wants to ban burqa's.
    He just said they are an "unwelcome sight".
    Pretty much everybody already agreed on that.
    It's like saying "heroine addicts are an unwelcome sight." - but then doing nothing about it.

    The only "brave" thing Sarkozy does is wiping his ass with the separation of powers.

    For a would-be Sun King, he's not very brave at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by nemgod View Post
    Why only go half way with Kind. Why not call himself the Emperor of a nth French Empire
    Because he'll need to conquer an Empire first.

    But that would be the next step, yes.
    And he's already doing the ground work with his "Mediterranean Union"
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I agree with him completely. The burqa is an affront to civilisation. Lines must be drawn, and he drew them appropriately.
    I agree.
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    Default Re: Sarkozy says no to Burqas

    Are you being serious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desperado † View Post
    Are you being serious?
    Yeah I am. Seriously, the burqa is a revolting piece of clothing that no woman genuinely wants to wear. Who will free the women of islam of male oppression if not we? We all know that women's rights in Islam still have a long way to go and I think that we as the west have to make a statement by drawing a line and saying "we don't care what barbarous limitations you wish to impose on your women in the middle east, but here we are equal".
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Yeah I am. Seriously, the burqa is a revolting piece of clothing that no woman genuinely wants to wear. Who will free the women of islam of male oppression if not we? We all know that women's rights in Islam still have a long way to go and I think that we as the west have to make a statement by drawing a line and saying "we don't care what barbarous limitations you wish to impose on your women in the middle east, but here we are equal".
    I see restricting what people can and can't wear as barbarous limitations. I do not wish to 'free' the women of Islam by imposing authoritarian rules upon the populace such as these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Yeah I am. Seriously, the burqa is a revolting piece of clothing that no woman genuinely wants to wear. Who will free the women of islam of male oppression if not we? We all know that women's rights in Islam still have a long way to go and I think that we as the west have to make a statement by drawing a line and saying "we don't care what barbarous limitations you wish to impose on your women in the middle east, but here we are equal".
    Hey, women can be fanatics too, you know. I'm pretty sure there are women who genuinely belive they will go to hell if they don't wear a burqa or whatever. Is that a good mentality? Probably not, but still, if thats what they feel is proper, then thats what they should be allowed to wear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Who will free the women of islam of male oppression if not we?
    If you want to free women from oppression you need to confront the oppressor, not force the women into hiding.



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