View Poll Results: How are the fundamental tenants of a religion defined?

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  • Religion is defined by what the holy books say

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  • Religion is defined by what the followers believe

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  • Religion is defined by a mix of the two

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    Default What Is Religion?

    I'll keep this short and simple: is any given Religion defined by what it's holy books say, or what the followers believe?

    As far as I can tell, the two are never the same.

    edit: My question my have been a bit vague, judging by some of the responses I have gotten here. I am not looking for a general definition of religion; if you want that, take an anthropology class. Rather I am looking for people's opinions as to whether the true concepts of any given religion are from the holy books (Qur'an, Bible et al), or in the hearts and minds of believers.
    Last edited by Wilder; June 22, 2009 at 03:50 PM.

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    It is clearly both. The followers belief + holy book= interpretation, or definition of religion.
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    In it's purest form it's what the book says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkLordSeth View Post
    In it's purest form it's what the book says.
    In it'spurest form, that is correct. But it also includes what the followers believe.
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    Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.

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    I say that religion is the way that the ancients explained whtat could not be explained at the time


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    Religion is the essence of the soul and being - everyone has his own religion, which consists in his interpretation of facts, of nature and his ultimate goals, metaphysical or not.
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    Default Re: What Is Religion?

    Well, most religions start out with some sort of holy book, most likely plagued by internal contradictions and historical inaccuracies or blatant falsehoods. As the evidence against the literal interpretation of their books accumulates, however, the followers will (hopefully) adapt their message.

    Quote Originally Posted by Louis XI View Post
    Religion is the essence of the soul and being - everyone has his own religion, which consists in his interpretation of facts, of nature and his ultimate goals, metaphysical or not.
    No. Not everyone has a religion.
    A religion is not just a belief system, and not just any belief system is a religion either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis XI View Post
    Religion is the essence of the soul and being - everyone has his own religion, which consists in his interpretation of facts, of nature and his ultimate goals, metaphysical or not.
    You confuse religion and belief. Religion is a set of conforming beliefs which a group all follow, even though each persons individual belief is usually unique (though within the 'rules' of their religion).

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    Each Religion/Faith is different. you can't really define them together, each would have its own answer.

    Perhaps if you had a certain Religion you are referring to? It would help if you did.

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    A problem is that not every religion has a holy book or scriptures, nor a clearly defined set of beliefs.

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    Religion is accepting dogmas as prejudices, without further thinking. Atheism is one of these religions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ho'oponopono View Post
    Religion is accepting dogmas as prejudices, without further thinking. Atheism is one of these religions.
    atheism is not a general concept. It is the general name given to not believing any superior being/god(s)...thats all. It doesn't have any rules, it's just a general name.


    Anyway, I thought Karl Marx summed it up pretty well....religion is the opium of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogukan View Post
    atheism is not a general concept. It is the general name given to not believing any superior being/god(s)...thats all. It doesn't have any rules, it's just a general name.
    False.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ho'oponopono View Post
    Religion is accepting dogmas as prejudices, without further thinking. Atheism is one of these religions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius
    Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wu'a'ihiwalu View Post
    Religion is accepting dogmas as prejudices, without further thinking. Atheism is one of these religions.

    I think this bares a response, if only do avoid derailing the thread. If I was unclear in my question, I apologize, but I am not looking for a general definition of religion; if you want that, take an anthropology class. Rather I am looking for people's opinions as to whether the true concepts of any given religion are from the holy books (Qur'an, Bible et al), or in the hearts and minds of believers. Frankly though I think you knew that and, given your posting history, you just wanted to pick a fight. This is my thread, so I would take it as a kindness If you didn't because I really do not know the answer to the question I have asked, and would like to hear peoples answers.

    If you want to discus whether atheism is a religion, make another thread, I promise I will post. Actually if you want to take this assertion to Gar's fight club, I would happily oblige.

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    Ah yes, a New Age atheist believes the same things as a weak atheist. Pixies, aliens building pyramids and that stuff.
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    Default Re: What Is Religion?

    Religion is a state of mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon View Post
    Religion is a state of mind.
    Religion is a State of Being, which goes beyond the mind.

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    It's a load of well meaning mumbojumbo and nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helm View Post
    It's a load of well meaning mumbojumbo and nonsense.
    Very unlikely, I'm afraid. If it is mumbo-jumbo it is not well-meaning, if it is well-meaning it's because it is exceedingly complex.

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