The Atheist Challenge

[Wu'a'ihiwalu]

I invite all atheists to this open challenge to test if if their lack of faith is true. Proceed at your own risk, and if you are an atheist, post ONLY AFTER you accomplished this challenge. The rest of the folks can post any time.

Ready?

In the following paragraph, we are assuming you are an ATHEIST and a GUY (I think most people on this forum are guys btw).

Alright, as you are an atheist, you do not believe in anything science cannot prove. Therefore you must talk to your girlfriend or wife and tell her that love is a very unscientific thing and is a christian belief. You also have to explain to her that love is only a physical attraction and a bi-product of bio-chemical reactions in your brain. After doing that get sex from her. That is the challenge!

Good luck!

[The Count(er)]

Are you trolling us again, because your doing a terrible job.

[Wu'a'ihiwalu]

I am not trolling, I am inviting every atheist to this open challenge to test if their lack of faith is true. Are you an atheist?

[The Count(er)]

I am not trolling, I am inviting every atheist to this open challenge to test if their lack of faith is true. Are you an atheist?

I am so I can confidently say that what you said didn't make any sense, and isn't really related to atheism.

[Wu'a'ihiwalu]

I am so I can confidently say that what you said didn't make any sense, and isn't really related to atheism.

Then you are not supposed to post here until you fulfilled the challenge. Cheater! Please come back after you fulfilled it.

[The Count(er)]

Then you are not supposed to post here until you fulfilled the challenge. Cheater! Please come back after you fulfilled it.

If you can explain why your challenge has any reason or point or even if your original statement has a proper basis to it then I'll do the best I can.

[Elrond]

Beyond the sarcasm there is a serous point - perhaps rather than mocking it people should focus on the point - How can love be more than a social survival tool if you are an atheist?

I believe I love people because God has given humans the ability to love - something that no other animal can do. I believe love is real, meaningful and more than an evolutionary tool even once its broken down academically.

[Hakkapeliitta]

This challenge is stupid. An atheist may believe in all sorts silly things; maybe one thinks that love is just a chemical reaction or that love equals pixies stroking your penis. How about a challenge like this: If you think you're a theist, then why don't you believe that love is Quetsalcoatl rubbing his feathery tail on your crotch. Just as meaningful.

Beyond the sarcasm there is a serous point - perhaps rather than mocking it people should focus on the point - How can love be more than a social survival tool if you are an atheist?

I believe I love people because God has given humans the ability to love - something that no other animal can do. I believe love is real, meaningful and more than an evolutionary tool even once its broken down academically.

Even dogs can show affection toward eachother. We call it love because we can. You rationalise it by saying a god gave it to you, others try to understand it.

[Danisab]

Well if love is a reaction of things in our mind it IS proven,that is true.We don't trust just in scientific things.
We believe in things that have a prove at least.

[Wu'a'ihiwalu]

If you can explain why your challenge has any reason or point or even if your original statement has a proper basis to it then I'll do the best I can.

The point here is to test if love is only a physical attraction and a bi-product of bio-chemical reactions in your brain indeed, as science says. Or something more? Why do you fall in love for example? Why do you feel love for someone?

Well if love is a reaction of things in our mind it IS cientific and has a BASE.We don't trust just in scientific things. We believe in things that have a prove at least.

Well, what are those things that "have a prove at least" but cannot be proven by science?

[Danisab]

The point here is to test if love is only a physical attraction and a bi-product of bio-chemical reactions in your brain indeed, as science says. Or something more? Why do you fall in love for example? Why do you feel love for someone?



Well, what are those things that "have a prove at least" but cannot be proven by science?

Sorry for my english,what is saying was that the science can prove that the organism liberates the hormonies and gives us the love felling. But God existing does not even makes sense.

[Playfishpaste]

It's funny, I find myself copying and pasting much more often these days, that's how many people use the same arguments, on the atheist and theist side.

From the "A case for theism" thread:


Love is an electrochemical process based mostly in the central nervous system, it's function is to alleviate sociological and physical stressors associated with raising a family or establishing familial bonds, as well as with long periods of physical activity (IE, if you're homeless for a long time). various kinds of neuropeptides are involved in the different variations of love there are. In platonic love, dopamine and seratonin are usually involved over residual periods, often long lasting and enduring for the purposes of keeping efficient friends. In romantic love N4 receptors and Oxytocin are involved, and much more spastic emotional reactions occur. Much of the frontal lobe is dedicated to processes regarding attraction between people due to the amount of thought and consideration that must go into a romantic or even platonic relationship. The neurological processes that occur intermittenly between those who are smitten and those who enjoy each others company go through highs and lows over time, and shift as the relationship changes psychologically. This has been proven emperically, and it is why there are certain "hot spots" for relationships to break off or become stronger (the seven year mark, the three year mark).

Aside from that, you don't have to be an atheist to believe that love is the by-product of electrochemical reactions, you just have to know neurology. I don't know any christian who believes that love is some made up mush that god puts in your brain. God designed you in a very complicated way, which is why very complicated chemical reactions go on. That is the common christian view.

[Danisab]

It's funny, I find myself copying and pasting much more often these days, that's how many people use the same arguments, on the atheist and theist side.

From the "A case for theism" thread:


Love is an electrochemical process based mostly in the central nervous system, it's function is to alleviate sociological and physical stressors associated with raising a family or establishing familial bonds, as well as with long periods of physical activity (IE, if you're homeless for a long time). various kinds of neuropeptides are involved in the different variations of love there are. In platonic love, dopamine and seratonin are usually involved over residual periods, often long lasting and enduring for the purposes of keeping efficient friends. In romantic love N4 receptors and Oxytocin are involved, and much more spastic emotional reactions occur. Much of the frontal lobe is dedicated to processes regarding attraction between people due to the amount of thought and consideration that must go into a romantic or even platonic relationship. The neurological processes that occur intermittenly between those who are smitten and those who enjoy each others company go through highs and lows over time, and shift as the relationship changes psychologically. This has been proven emperically, and it is why there are certain "hot spots" for relationships to break off or become stronger (the seven year mark, the three year mark).

Aside from that, you don't have to be an atheist to believe that love is the by-product of electrochemical reactions, you just have to know neurology. I don't know any christian who believes that love is some made up mush that god puts in your brain. God designed you in a very complicated way, which is why very complicated chemical reactions go on. That is the common christian view.

That was what I was trying to say! That love is a reaction of our body,not a felling that just came from nowhere.

[Wu'a'ihiwalu]

It's funny, I find myself copying and pasting much more often these days, that's how many people use the same arguments, on the atheist and theist side.

From the "A case for theism" thread:


Love is an electrochemical process based mostly in the central nervous system, it's function is to alleviate sociological and physical stressors associated with raising a family or establishing familial bonds, as well as with long periods of physical activity (IE, if you're homeless for a long time). various kinds of neuropeptides are involved in the different variations of love there are. In platonic love, dopamine and seratonin are usually involved over residual periods, often long lasting and enduring for the purposes of keeping efficient friends. In romantic love N4 receptors and Oxytocin are involved, and much more spastic emotional reactions occur. Much of the frontal lobe is dedicated to processes regarding attraction between people due to the amount of thought and consideration that must go into a romantic or even platonic relationship. The neurological processes that occur intermittenly between those who are smitten and those who enjoy each others company go through highs and lows over time, and shift as the relationship changes psychologically. This has been proven emperically, and it is why there are certain "hot spots" for relationships to break off or become stronger (the seven year mark, the three year mark).

Aside from that, you don't have to be an atheist to believe that love is the by-product of electrochemical reactions, you just have to know neurology. I don't know any christian who believes that love is some made up mush that god puts in your brain. God designed you in a very complicated way, which is why very complicated chemical reactions go on. That is the common christian view.

If we know all the scientific factors of love, why aren't we able to reproduce it industrially?

Where does the energy of love come from? From your brain cells? If yes, how can God love all of the universe?

Please answer all questions, and thanks.

[Orko]

If we know all the scientific factors of love, why aren't we able to reproduce it industrially?

I don't know. does it have anything to do with what wer'e talking about?

Where does the energy of love come from?

Hormones

From your brain cells?

no. from hormones(I think)

If yes, how can God love all of the universe?

I don't know. maybe because he doesn't exist?

[Playfishpaste]

If we know all the scientific factors of love, why aren't we able to reproduce it industrially?

Because that costs a lot of money and takes up a lot of time for no productive reasons. You want machines that can date each other instead of cures for cancer?

Where does the energy of love come from? From your brain cells? If yes, how can God love all of the universe?

The energy of love comes from the electromagnetic force and heat energy. God can love all of the universe because he is omnipotent and therefore can do anything.

Please answer all questions, and thanks.

I have answered all of your questions, despite their lack of foundation.

[Daeger]

If we know all the scientific factors of love, why aren't we able to reproduce it industrially?

Where does the energy of love come from? From your brain cells? If yes, how can God love all of the universe?

Please answer all questions, and thanks.

I don't know about the christian pagan god, but I doubt the real god is even a sentient being who can love so, uhhh.. I guess christian god can love all of the universe because people imagine him to be capable of doing anything.

Why are pagan gods always so absurd?

[Tankbuster]

If we know all the scientific factors of love, why aren't we able to reproduce it industrially?

We will. We're already able to reproduce hallucinations industrially (drugs), reducing the emotions of pain industrially (pain killers), and getting your brain to sleep industrially (sleep pills).
Reproducing the feeling of love industrially could perfectly well be done. In fact, I would argue that a bit of marijuana can already get you pretty close.

Where does the energy of love come from?

How are you defining energy?
Energy is the amount of work performed by a force.
The energy to make love (have sex) comes from calories, if that's what you mean. You know; spaghetti, bread, fried eggs.

From your brain cells?

The chemical releases that cause lust and love are induced the reactions of your brain cells, yes.

If yes, how can God love all of the universe?

God doesn't exist. Next question.

Please answer all questions, and thanks.

Come up with some intelligent questions and I might actually have to use some brain cells.

But before we continue this, could you answer one of my questions? How old are you? Seriously.

[Old_Scratch]

If we know all the scientific factors of love, why aren't we able to reproduce it industrially?

Well, technically we can. There are certain illegal drugs that have been observed to cause the same reaction in the brain as love does.

[Theseus1234]

If we know all the scientific factors of love, why aren't we able to reproduce it industrially?

Love is an emotion. There are plenty of things that can manipulate emotions (drugs such as cocaine and meth increase our feeling of happiness by closing off the ports that releases the counter to endorphins (I'm not sure of the technical name, and endorphins are the stuff that make you happy if you would perhaps open up a science book or google "science" on the internet). If we wanted to we could produce "bottled love", although I hope most people would prefer their love to be all natural

Where does the energy of love come from?

...Our brain...And our brain gets energy from the food we eat...

From your brain cells?

See above

If yes, how can God love all of the universe?

He CAN'T because HE DOESN'T EXIST

Your inability to see reason won't win any converts

Please answer all questions, and thanks.

No, thank you for being so closed minded!

Atheism is not trying to explain everything scientifically (although most atheists do trust the factual evidence of science more than some mythical old man in the sky) and even if we are atheists, we don't have to impart our beliefs on to others