Marian Reform

**lelouchx99** · June 20, 2009, 06:39 PM

Is there any way to get the Marian Reform faster? And is there any specific requirements to get the reform so you can start training legionaries?

I'm thinking of using cheats right in the beginning of the game making an Imperial Palace.

**Scutarii** · June 20, 2009, 06:50 PM

You can cheat, or just pick a city, and build only growth buildings, never recruit from it, and train units in other cities and disband them in the chosen Marian Reforms city. Anything to boost population, really. I actually hold the reforms off significantly in my campaign, I like the Pre-Marian troops.

**lelouchx99** · June 20, 2009, 10:47 PM

erm here's what i did. I made Roma upgraded into everything, and used add_population Roma etc. up to 24,000 population. Still no Marian Reform..... after a single turn.

**Sacratus** · June 21, 2009, 01:05 AM

IIRC, the Imperial Palace needs to be in any city in Italy other than Rome.

**lelouchx99** · June 21, 2009, 01:09 AM

really? why is that?

What could be a better city in Italy rather than Rome than to build an Imperial Palace?.

**despot_of_rhodes** · June 21, 2009, 02:11 AM

This is hardcoded and i guess, it was to let one of the 3 roman factions, not the Senate Superfaction, to trigger the Marian Reform in vanilla.

**Scutarii** · June 21, 2009, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by lelouchx99

really? why is that?

What could be a better city in Italy rather than Rome than to build an Imperial Palace?.

In vanilla, SPQR had Rome, so the player had no control over it... So they made it any city but Rome. Since its hardcoded, mods have to live with it to.

**Hyperterran** · June 21, 2009, 10:45 PM

capua is a good choice because it is the 2nd most populated city when you start

**lelouchx99** · June 21, 2009, 11:49 PM

Sounds like a good choice. Any other suggestion other than Capua?

**despot_of_rhodes** · June 22, 2009, 12:49 AM

There are not really many left.... take one of them with the highest land fertility - that should be Arretium with 2.5% ( can bee seen in the advanced settlement details under growth ), build the Ceres temple there as a main one, academy and upgrade farmes, traders and build many small temples to keep the public order high and to give your gouverneur good architecture traits - your small town will grow to a huge city very fast.

**Byakkotai** · June 22, 2009, 01:23 AM

I remember playing as SPQR once and added population and built all buildings in Rome, after 1 turn the Marian reforms were introduced. But I have seen times that it would take many years..