Old knowledge, New revelation

[hellas1]

Hi all,

I was reading a book on Sacred Geometry and I stumbled upon a quote here that shocked me:

"The point of view of modern force-field theory and wave mechanics corresponds to the ancient geometric-harmonic vision of universal order as being an interwoven configuration of wave patterns." Yikes!

Betrand Russell said:

"What we perceive as various qualities of matter are actually differences in periodicity." Double Yikes!

Comment please,
hellas1

[Theseus1234]

Hi all,

I was reading a book on Sacred Geometry and I stumbled upon a quote here that shocked me:

"The point of view of modern force-field theory and wave mechanics corresponds to the ancient geometric-harmonic vision of universal order as being an interwoven configuration of wave patterns." Yikes!

Betrand Russell said:

"What we perceive as various qualities of matter are actually differences in periodicity." Double Yikes!

Comment please,
hellas1

I'm so very confused....

[cfmonkey45]

Basically, this theory revolves around the thought that numbers control our universe. Basically, numbers like 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, and 21, etc. are gods.

It's bs, mostly.

[hellas1]

@ cfmonkey45,

No, it's not B.S. The laws of Sacred Geometry work and are true.

Remember it's Geometry NOT Numerology.
Even the Bible has number structures: Ex. 12, 40, 5, 7, 9 You see these patterns repeated over & over.

Dig?

hellas1

[Blau&Gruen]

Ex. 12, 40, 5, 7, 9

Which pattern? - I don't understand this.

[IrishHitman]

@ cfmonkey45,

No, it's not B.S. The laws of Sacred Geometry work and are true.

Remember it's Geometry NOT Numerology.
Even the Bible has number structures: Ex. 12, 40, 5, 7, 9 You see these patterns repeated over & over.

Dig?

hellas1

Power does not equal divinity....
May I point to the example of tyrants....

God is a tyrant.
Overthrow him!

[Baron Thunder-ten-tronckh]

Lets ask the flying spaghetti monster about this...

[Keravnos]

Lets ask the flying spaghetti monster about this...

+rep.

[chriscase]

... Read E.W. Bullinger's Number in Scripture. You can find it for free online.

Also read Ivan Panin's stuff online too.

THEN and not until then, should you post something ...

I seem to have to remind you periodically that you don't get to decide what others have to do to post in "your" thread.

Your premise that patterns of numbers in scripture are somehow significant is being doubted. The doubters do not have to slog through a bunch of texts about such patterns to doubt the premise. Why? Because, even if we grant that many patterns may exist, that proves absolutely nothing about their meaning, or lack thereof. You contend there is a special meaning. I do not see any reason to assign special meaning to it, regardless of ANY pattern that may exist. So wading through your recommended texts is a blatant waste of my time unless you can persuade me that there is a better reason for me to do it.

Look, I am sorry you have wasted so much time studying this. But I refuse to accept that you must persuade others to do so as well.

[Modestus]

I once checked a polling card for an elderly nun to do with a referendum vote on abortion, the number of her card was 666, was this magic or just the card that came after 665.

[Ummon]

I once checked a polling card for an elderly nun to do with a referendum vote on abortion, the number of her card was 666, was this magic or just the card that came after 665.

It all depends by how many meaningful coincidences accompany it, generally speaking.

If the nun was a serial killer in disguise, well, and she planned to slaughter someone that very day, that's probably magic.

[Danisab]

I think that the everything has a pattern with numbers, because the numbers we "made" have the porpouse of representing the reason of the universe.

So this just proves that our math is getting really better as we can apply it in everything.Not that the things submit to math,math submit to the universe.

[Playfishpaste]

Hi all,

I was reading a book on Sacred Geometry and I stumbled upon a quote here that shocked me:

"The point of view of modern force-field theory and wave mechanics corresponds to the ancient geometric-harmonic vision of universal order as being an interwoven configuration of wave patterns." Yikes!

Well yeah, so? This just states a coincidence that happened to occur. In the past a certain group of people pictured things as behaving in waves, interfering constructively and destructively. They were half right, as was democritus.

Betrand Russell said:

"What we perceive as various qualities of matter are actually differences in periodicity." Double Yikes!

This is about wave particle duality, a basic part of quantum mechanics. Wikipedia expounds on it just fine, search for stuff on the uncertainty principle, duality, and the electron interference experiment.

[hellas1]

@Blau&Gruen,

Hebrew Gematria, or Hebrew letters that equal a number, is found all over the first 5 books of moses and beyond in the Tanach or "Old Testament."

Gematria is NOT the E.L.S. code. It's different altogether.
E.L.S. uses spaces between one letter to the next, Gematria is where number patterns obviously and blatently occur on the printed page (see below):

Examples;
40: Genesis: It rained 40 days & 40 nights
Deuteronomy: Moses died at 120 yrs old.: 40 in Egypt, 40 tending livestock, 40 wandering in the wilderness
I Kings: Elijah on top of Mt. Horeb for 40 days

12: 12 tribes of Israel
Numbers 33: Elim had 12 springs and 70 palm trees
Judges: Israel had 12 righteous judges & 1 (13th) bad judge

7: Seventh day is called the Sabbath
Genesis: 7 years of famine, 7 years of prosperity
Genesis: 70 (7 x 10) nations which descended from Shem, Ham & Japheth
Leviticus: 70 (7 x 10) bulls slain on a Jewish Holy Day ( I forgot which one, look it up yourself)

3: Genesis: Abraham, Sarah and Isaac
Exodus: God says "I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob"
Leviticus: 6 cities of refuge: 3 past the Jordan river west of it/3 before the Jordan east of it

Just a few examples. The Jewish people have know about this forever. Gentiles (of which I'm one) don't.

E.W. Bullinger's "Number in Scripture" is a book which discusses ALL this stuff and I've yet to find something as exhaustive as that as of yet! Even amongst Jewish scholarly works!

Peace out,
hellas1

[Blau&Gruen]

Ah ok, Gematria

One can do alot with written down letters. Some read them, some count them, some eat them.

-> letter soup (nudel soup) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...habet_soup.jpg

[hellas1]

Hi all,

I'd like to revisit this Sacred Geometry/Gematria thread.

Have any of you ever heard of Sacred Geometry or Gematria?

What do you think about them?

Blau & Gruen not withstanding?
hellas1

[Ummon]

If we assume that most groups of similar items are small (ranging from 1 to 10 members) then by necessity "sacred" numbers will occur with unwholesomely high frequency.

When dealing with these issues, which B&G rather ironically and poignantly describes above, one has to be able to assume a critical stance on impressions, thus separating what is mere statistical recurrence, from what is structural recursiveness, and then ascertain why something happens to be self-similar, etc.

That's the difference between a science of superstition as opposed to a superstition in the guise of science.

[hellas1]

@ Ummon,

Gematria, sir, has been know by the Jews for centuries.

Certain numbers: 1,3, 5, 7, 9, 10, 12, 13, 40 to name a few, are repeatedly found over and over again in the Tanakh or "Old Testament."

In my estimation, given the specific Biblical placement of the number, it signifies something.
That "something" would be God wanting to describe something that God is doing for a specific purpose.

Ex. Genesis mentions 70 nations
On the Day of Atonement, I believe, 70 bulls are offered to God.
The Jewish texts say this is NOT coincidence but Divine Providence pointing to forgiveness of sins for Gentiles.

This is what I meant.
hellas1

Check out "Number in Scripture" by E.W. Bullinger which can be found online for more details.

[Ummon]

I think you missed what I told you.

[Tigrul]

Aaah... the magic of magic numbers... the magic of crying "magic pattern" each time things happen in groups of 3 and ignoring the other, overwhelmingly more instances, when the same things happen ungrouped. Of course, the "3" here is just an example. My simple point is that most magic thinkers, and in this particular instance, magic number thinkers, are the victims of observational bias: the willingness to consider all of those events which are strange, and yet failing to notice the other, overwhelmingly more frequent, instances of the same phenomenon which aren't strange.