Uruk-hai Pikemen

[BetaGun]

Hi guys,
I have got a very simple question. Do you use uruk-hai pikemen against any other faction than rohan? So are they still useful after defeating rohan?

[Warmaster Tibs]

All pikemen seem very powerfull so if they are the same then I would use them all the time as my main infantry unit.

[Pfundner]

yeah all pikemen are awesome but take a lot of micro management and protection. if they get surrounded you're dead but they work very well as the centre of your line, if their flanks are secure

[DeliCious.vP]

Pikemen dont take lots of micromanegmant and even if they are surronded they can still rape it all.

[lunch]

Pikemen are always effective, especially against other factions with cavalry. They are good to protect your flanks, but you have to keep an eye on them so they don`t get surrounded, if they use Schiltrom formation it doesn`t matter that much if they are surrounded, but in a Spear Wall/Shield Wall or not any formation at all they will have a problem.

[DeliCious.vP]

Pikemean dont have schilltrom thats spearmen.

[lunch]

Ups, sorry. Then just ignore that part of my last reply.

[Bela]

Do not use them against elves (they take you down with arrows before reaching them, and usually their archers are in skirmish mode and you will have no chance to capture them) unless they use cavalry, rather against Gondor and Eriador (they use less cavalry than Rohan, but lots of melee units, and pikemen(orcs) will slay them easily).
Against dwarves, they are also useful, but will not stand the fight 1:1, so they need support (Warg Riders and lots of archers eg.)

[Lordinquisitor]

Pikemen are only (and really!) vulnerable to archers.

In the open field they rape both riders and infantry. And if you seek some infantry to defend your gate use them! They can hold back even hordes of enemies.

[Emperor of The Great Unknown]

i kinda think they are overpowered because i surronded them with gondor infantry and the pikemen defeated like 90% of what was my gondor infantry. it was like a 800 vs 151

[Santeri]

i kinda think they are overpowered because i surronded them with gondor infantry and the pikemen defeated like 90% of what was my gondor infantry. it was like a 800 vs 151

Agreed. They are too overpowered. Even if they are flanked they make very much damage. Too much damage...

[Olifantenstaart]

Yes. This should be a unit whose true strengt lies in the spear wall. But these units are a little too effective compared to the cost.

[Olifantenstaart]

It should be like the unit description says: "However, the formation severely lacks flexibility and the long pikes deprive their holders of shields, requiring the presence of supporting infantry to secure the flanks and counteract any missile troops."

Weak when flanked, useless without protection of other troops, but a solid wall when charged from the front.

[holtorp1411]

i find great use for the pikemen even after rohan lies defeated. Set up a main battle line of pikes with regular infantry on the flanks and counter their archers with your own and the wall of pikes will never break. They are quite brutal.

[Hellenikon]

Well thing with Pikemen is that they only worked fine on RTW, in phalanx they always used the spears, and in non phalanz they used swords.

In M2TW they did not use their pikes at all, so most mods just remove their secondary weapon (the sword). That makes them a bit overpowered, as their spear wall cannot be avoided in any way, as they always use the pikes, no matter if you attack them on the rear/flanks.

The balancing that most mods do is to give them lower stats than others troops, and i think that is already implemented in TATW.

[Warmaster Tibs]

The balancing that most mods do is to give them lower stats than others troops, and i think that is already implemented in TATW.

It is. All pikemen have low stats, the highest being the Dwarven Vault guard.

[Caml3]

It is. All pikemen have low stats, the highest being the Dwarven Vault guard.

Yup, their strength is not in the stats, but in the fact that the front 3 or 4 ranks attack simultaneously. I think the spear wall formations is still glitched from Kingdoms though, just use the regular formation.

[lunch]

Well thing with Pikemen is that they only worked fine on RTW, in phalanx they always used the spears, and in non phalanz they used swords.

The Greek and Macedonian Phalanx in RTW was way overpowered, but that is off-topic (just wanted to comment it).

[Nikos]

The Greek and Macedonian Phalanx in RTW was way overpowered, but that is off-topic (just wanted to comment it).

Yeah it was overpowered if you attacked from the front using no tactics what so ever, but it was really easy to outflank or deplete the phalanx lines in RTW. For me at least.

[Kassandros]

Pikemen in TATW are perfect for holding your main line while your sneaky troops do other stuff .