Okay so everyone wants the One Ring and all that...

[FrustratedbyETW]

but what on Earth does it do??!

Seriously now, all we learn from the movies and books is that it can do a neat glowing trick and make hobbits and men invisible... apart from that, it doesn't really show anything that makes it worthy of being dubbed 'the Ring of Power'.

I'm not so good on Ring lore so if anyone could care to share information about this trinket that causes so much war? I did read somewhere once that the Ring has tiers of power that can be unlocked, and hobbits have access only to the first level, however I'm not sure if that's credible information.

Cheers

[Silent]

The ring grants the user powers based on how powerful the wearer is, frodo was not very powerful so it only granted him sight into the wraith realm and invisibility.


If Sauron were to use it though, then all of middle earth would be doomed.


Which is why they waged war to destroy the ring and Sauron forever, since the two are linked together.
Sauron put most of his power into the ring, without it he is considerably weaker, with it though he is extrodinarily powerful, destroy the ring and his power in middle earth is destroyed with it forever, kill Sauron without destroying the ring means that you only destroyed his "Avatar" and soon he will return because of the rings existance.

[FrustratedbyETW]

The ring grants the user powers based on how powerful the wearer is, frodo was not very powerful so it only granted him sight into the wraith realm and invisibility.


If Sauron were to use it though, then all of middle earth would be doomed.


Which is why they waged war to destroy the ring and Sauron forever, since the two are linked together.
Sauron put most of his power into the ring, without it he is considerably weaker, with it though he is extrodinarily powerful, destroy the ring and his power in middle earth is destroyed with it forever, kill Sauron without destroying the ring means that you only destroyed his "Avatar" and soon he will return because of the rings existance.

So hypothetically, if the Ring had gone to Gondor, what would have happened, since Boromir is pretty powerful

Alternatively you could've just googled this instead of making a whole new thread. It's really not hard to find info about this. Can I lock now?

Threads are there to be made for a reason , and I think this could be a good discussion thread maybe? There are probably a lot of people who watched the movies first like me who have no real background into the powers of the One Ring.

If it becomes off topic too much or spam-like I have no problem with you locking it.

[Jean=A=Luc]

Threads are there to be made for a reason

Yes but not randomly and on a whim. This is the TA:TW general discussion not a lore forum and while I leave a lot of off-topic threads open the story about the One Ring is so well known, so easy to find info about and debates about it have been recycled so many times that it can't really produce a meaningful discussion.

Here, took me less than 60 secs to come up with this:
http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/o/onering.html
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/The_One_Ring
http://www.tuckborough.net/onering.html

So hypothetically, if the Ring had gone to Gondor, what would have happened, since Boromir is pretty powerful

Boromir would have become drunk with power, he would've assembled an army and attacked Mordor. His army would have been beaten, he would lose the Ring and get killed, Sauron would take the Ring and pwn all of Middle-Earth. Sauron atually wanted for someone like Boromir to get the Ring, it's even stated in the book.

[Silent]

thats basically what would happen yeah, Sauron would win.


Aragorn its unsure, probably the same fate as isildur though, or maybe not....

[FrustratedbyETW]

thats basically what would happen yeah, Sauron would win.


Aragorn its unsure, probably the same fate as isildur though, or maybe not....

Ah but you both miss a vital concept. I mentioned Boromir was powerful, - greedy yes and would probably turn gollumish eventually, however.

Based on the principle of the bearer gaining more power to the ring based on who the bearer was, then he could of unlocked said next level of power (if you will), especially since he would've wanted too and since, well - it's Boromir, thus being able to beat the armies of Mordor right?

Now, if by powerful you mean - not power-hungry or physical strength as such, but instead based on 'who' the person was, then surely someone like Gandalf/Saruman or Galadriel having access to the ring would just be unstoppable. So I guess this is why both Gandalf and Galadriel refused?

[KingLeonidas300]

Yes but not randomly and on a whim. This is the TA:TW general discussion not a lore forum and while I leave a lot of off-topic threads open the story about the One Ring is so well known, so easy to find info about and debates about it have been recycled so many times that it can't really produce a meaningful discussion.

Here, took me less than 60 secs to come up with this:
http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/o/onering.html
http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/The_One_Ring
http://www.tuckborough.net/onering.html



Boromir would have become drunk with power, he would've assembled an army and attacked Mordor. His army would have been beaten, he would lose the Ring and get killed, Sauron would take the Ring and pwn all of Middle-Earth. Sauron atually wanted for someone like Boromir to get the Ring, it's even stated in the book.

We want mith back

[2-D Ron]

So hypothetically, if the Ring had gone to Gondor, what would have happened, since Boromir is pretty powerful



Threads are there to be made for a reason , and I think this could be a good discussion thread maybe? There are probably a lot of people who watched the movies first like me who have no real background into the powers of the One Ring.

If it becomes off topic too much or spam-like I have no problem with you locking it.

Galadriel mentions in the Fellowship book that one could go as far as 'Read the Minds of Others' even 'Control the Will' of people if they trained their Minds to use the One Ring hard enough but recommended that Frodo resist that urge.

Samwise Gamgee during the Two Towers puts on the One Ring after Frodo was left for dead after Shelob stung him to find he could translate the Black Tongue of the Orc's even though he didn't speak the Language.

[Warmaster Tibs]

Samwise Gamgee during the Two Towers puts on the One Ring after Frodo was left for dead after Shelob stung him to find he could translate the Black Tongue of the Orc's even though he didn't speak the Language.

Its during the Return of the King that that happens.

[abbews]

Its during the Return of the King that that happens.

Not in the book.

[KingLeonidas300]

The ring grants the user powers based on how powerful the wearer is, frodo was not very powerful so it only granted him sight into the wraith realm and invisibility.


If Sauron were to use it though, then all of middle earth would be doomed.


Which is why they waged war to destroy the ring and Sauron forever, since the two are linked together.
Sauron put most of his power into the ring, without it he is considerably weaker, with it though he is extrodinarily powerful, destroy the ring and his power in middle earth is destroyed with it forever, kill Sauron without destroying the ring means that you only destroyed his "Avatar" and soon he will return because of the rings existance.

sauron wore the ring at the last alliance battle and he got doomed

[Jean=A=Luc]

I did read somewhere once that the Ring has tiers of power that can be unlocked, and hobbits have access only to the first level, however I'm not sure if that's credible information.

It most certainly is not, it sounds like it's from a video game or something. LoTR isn't DBZ. edit: Ok yeah, it's kinda as Silent said, it depends on the power of the wearer but saying it has levels of power is just poor wording.

The One Ring contains Sauron's essence as well as controlling (or at least influencing) other rings (the ones made for men, dwarves and elves), that's how the Nazgul were created for example. In a way Sauron wanted to infiltrate the races of men/dwarves/elves by giving them the rings (or teaching them how to make them) and then using the One rings to master all the others together with their prominent wearers.

However the War of the Ring has little to do with that. It's simply about preventing Sauron from getting his ring back so that he couldn't go back to full power. Since the One Ring contains most of his essence Sauron is severily weakened without it. That's it.

Alternatively you could've just googled this instead of making a whole new thread. It's really not hard to find info about this. Can I lock now?

[jinjo]

ring was created to serve evil
ring was evil itself
so doesnt matter who has it, then he is managed by ring

[Jean=A=Luc]

For one Boromir isn't really that "powerful". The standards are very high when it comes to the Ring.

Also, the Ring corrupts anyone who wears it, that's why even Gandalf and Galadriel (individuals way more powerful than Boromir) don't dare use or even touch it. The One Ring can only be used for evil, there is no way for the free peoples of ME to utilize it to achieve victory, that's why the Fellowship sets out to destroy it.

Even if you haven't read the books these thing are pretty evident in the movie.

[jinjo]

gendelf was very cautious when he had sauman's magical sphere
so same is about ring
evil and things that are related to evil should be destroyed

[gary0044187]

only tom bombadil was exempt from the ring's power.

[Pfundner]

only tom bombadil was exempt from the ring's power.

why is this? i never understood that quote that is on one of the loading screens. it would appear tom can see frodo even when hes wearing the ring?

[Renown]

Galadriel and Gandalf would not have been corrupted by the evil influence of the ring.

They would have been corrupted by the power the ring gave them.

It was Tolkien's way of showing "power corrupts".

Gandalf wasn't afraid of the power of evil from the Palantir so much as he was afraid that Sauron would learn his plans - Gandalf was more the King on the Chess Board or the Chess player himself, then a knight or bishop or queen.

Gandalf never used his power directly offensively - only in self defence - probably because he was a Cirdan preceived - the wisest of the Wizards... the more you use power, the more you need it, the more you need it the more it will corrupt you.

The Ring's evil impacted the lesser characters more - Boromir (a weak-willed dunedain), Aragorn (even though he refused it), Frodo, Sam, Gollum, Bilbo.. etc etc including those who visited rivendell and met with elrond when the ring was there. You can also see in scenes from the Hobbit how it influenced (though subtely) the dwarves in bilbo's company. They became infinitely more suspicious and even wary of Bilbo after the caves - though prior to that they thought he was mostly a joke. It took Bilbo's adventure and confrontation in the face of a Dragon to relieve them of their previous discontent. And even then he didn't spend enough time in their company to see if it would renew after the victory began to fade from their minds.

From all accounts the only ones then who weren't directly influenced by direct evil it were Glorfindel, Galadriel, Celeborn , Elrond, & Gandalf. (Even Frodo heard it calling to him). Though we know some of those were tempted by the POWER it offered them.

[Jean=A=Luc]

Galadriel and Gandalf would not have been corrupted by the evil influence of the ring.

They would have been corrupted by the power the ring gave them.

They're kinda the same thing. It's true about the "power corrupts" message but the Ring did have a "supernatural/magical" influence on the wearers. It's because it was designed to 'dominate the wills of others', it was basically Sauron's own will/desire for domination.

What it did to Gollum and the madness it caused in Boromir was more than just appealing to their inherent desire for power.

[Renown]

They're kinda the same thing. It's true about the "power corrupts" message but the Ring did have a "supernatural/magical" influence on the wearers. It's because it was designed to 'dominate the wills of others', it was basically Sauron's own will/desire for domination.

What it did to Gollum and the madness it caused in Boromir was more than just appealing to their inherent desire for power.

I don't deny that bit. I'm just saying because of Galadriel/Gandalf's power they would have been able to dominate the ring, until it's power corrupted them. Though ultimately I'm going to stop here -and agree with you on Boromir and Gollum... - to prevent us from getting into all kinds of god awful "What If" scenarios.

Those only have one place. Alternate Reality Mods, Movies, and comic books.