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    Default Warhammer Dwarfs vs Lord of The Rings Dwarves

    So those two seem to be the main type of dwarves/dwarfs.

    They are both the short beardly guys we love but there are alot of differences. Even the way you say them is different. For Warhammer Dwarfs there is no Dwarf plural besides Dwarfs, yet if it is made by Dwarfs it is called "Dwarven" in both fantasys.

    Anyway which do you prefer?

    I prefer the Warhammer Dwarfs myself. They just seem more Dwarfy then the Lord of The Ring Dwarves. (Skipping so much awesome stuff about them because I am lazy)Beer, Axes, Hammers, (high tech" weapons(Gunpowder and stuff) and the much needed Dwarf women who actual look like women.

    For those who dont know anything about Warhammer Dwarfs check here.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_(Warhammer) Link dosent work for me so Ill just copy and paste some stuff but not too much. If it works for you thats great

    Dwarfs reside mainly in the hills and mountains of the "Old World" where they have their strongholds. Their empire once ran as a series of holds throughout the mountain ranges joined by tunnels. Since the peak some strongholds have fallen and the tunnel ways lost so the strongholds are more isolated. The loss of the holds has been attributed to Orcs and other Goblins or to the Skaven. There is a reputed "lost" hold in the Southlands and to the north the Dwarfs there in Norsca have become a little less civilized and more separate from the main - the largest hold there is Kraka Drak. Substantial numbers of Dwarfs have settled in the human nations of the Old World; particularly the Empire where their technical skills are appreciated and some serve in the Imperial armies.
    Dwarfs are on average a good deal shorter than either men or elves of the Warhammer world making them ideally suited to the tunnels in which they live and work (the average dwarf being estimated to be at approximately 4'5"-5'0"). Their bodies seem purpose built for manual labour, solidly muscled, broad shouldered and large thick fingered hands that belie considerable manual dexterity. Dwarfs are a very long lived race with life-spans that can run into centuries. As a dwarf becomes older so his beard becomes longer and thicker. Since dwarfs have a deep inbuilt respect for age it would be unthinkable for a dwarf to cut off or even trim their beards. Like the Orcs, dwarfs appear to become stronger and stronger the older they get, but unlike the Orcs, there appears to be a "Breaking Point" where the dwarf's health declines rapidly, always happening just a few years before the dwarf dies of old age.

    Female dwarfs are very rarely seen outside dwarf realms which has led many people to believe that dwarf males can have babies or that dwarf women have beards. However Games Workshop has released several models in the past depicting female dwarfs, such as Blood Bowl cheerleaders and Queen Helgar, which is still available from Mail Order. These models, like their male counterparts, are heavily built, armed and armoured; are muscular and grim, but instead of long beards have long hair wound into similar braids, worn beneath the helmet which they treasure as greatly as males do their beard.

    For some unknown reasons, dwarfs have a strong attraction to gold. Dwarfs will seek to amass gold, even to the point of acting unreasonablly (such as refusing to abandon gold in order to save their lives). The exception to this refusal to leave gold is any gold that is going to be buried (such as by a cave in). As far as a dwarf is concerned, any gold that is "lost" underground is as easy to regain as a coin dropped in the street. This addiction is sometimes called "gold lust."'

    Dwarfs take their obsession with gold seriously, but they take grudges even more seriously. A dwarf is said to never forget a grudge. A dwarf will even end a life long friendship over a grudge of the "lightest" matter. To a dwarf, the source of the grudge (no matter how absurd) does not matter so much as that it is a grudge. Grudges can be ended amicably, though the stubborn nature of dwarfs makes compromises difficult and grudges must always be fulfilled. In the case of "lesser matters" gold can suffice to end a grudge. Felix Jaeger did end a grudge between Gotrek Gurnisson and Gotrek's childhood friend by taking the source of their grudge, a book of bad poetry, and ripping it in half, giving half to each (all the dwarfs present found this incredibly funny, which is probably the only reason they did not kill Felix on the spot or declare a grudge upon him). Killing a dwarf sparks a grudge that is similar to a vendetta, in that the grudge will transfer down the generations (both in the dwarf family and the family of the focus of the grudge) and it MUST be paid in blood. The only offense worse than killing a dwarf is damaging or destroying a dwarf's beard.

    The dwarfs are by far Warhammer's most technologically advanced race, and are regarded as consummate engineers. Where other races use wooden ships to travel overseas, the dwarfs use ironclad dreadnoughts and nautilus, the Warhammer equivalent of early battleships and submarines. They have also pioneered the development of black powder and steam technology such as cannons, handguns and Gyrocopters (helicopters). They have shared some of this technology with Humans, but still consider the work of the 'Manlings' to be shoddy in comparison to good dwarven work.
    The most innovative examples of Dwarven engineering are the Organ Gun (a cannon with multiple light-calibre barrels and a high rate of fire), the Flame Cannon (a massive flamethrower artillery piece with the capacity to destroy entire units), and the Ungrim Ankor, a vast hub of mining tunnels connected to all the Dwarf Strongholds in the Old World.
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    I like the dwarves of the of the german game Spellforce more than the ones of Warhammer But KK's dwarves are the best.

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    JRR's dwarves are the best...


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    You do know that warhammer dwarfs are probably based loosely on lotr dwarves

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    Loosely
    Short, great craftsmen, live long, strong, live in the mountains, dwarf women rarely go out...


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    Warhammer dwarfs, like the movie's Gimli or The Hobbit's (a children's book) dwarves. are played for cheap laughs a lot. The LotR dwarves are not. Besides that, they are very similar in overall style, as Warhammer dwarfs are, to a great extent, "stock" fantasy dwarfs, heavily based in Tolkien's dwarves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringeck View Post
    Warhammer dwarfs, like the movie's Gimli or The Hobbit's (a children's book) dwarves. are played for cheap laughs a lot. The LotR dwarves are not. Besides that, they are very similar in overall style, as Warhammer dwarfs are, to a great extent, "stock" fantasy dwarfs, heavily based in Tolkien's dwarves.
    I must disagree with you about Warhammer Dwarfs being there for commic relief. Alot of Warhammer itself is supposed to truly dark and grim but there is comedy with all of the major races if you think about it. Warhammer Dwarfs are just as serious, devoted if not more so do to there grudges (I dont know of any LOTR equivilents) and they have bigger beards!

    I love all non-Asian Dwarfs anyway so in the end, Power to the short badss midgets we all love!

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    The original The Hobbit lineup of dwarves are taken straight out of the "dwarf list" of the norse creation poem Vǫluspá, stanzas 10-16:

    http://www.heimskringla.no/wiki/Völuspá

    See any names you recognize?

    Norse mythological dwarves have several characteristics Tolkien copied. They are miners, smiths and artisans, whose craftsmanship is far above that of men (and Gods), and possess magical knowledge that aids in their work. Of course, there is a lot of confusion in the norse liteature on many of the mythological beings, and dwarves are often confused with other beings of myth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Warmaster Tibs View Post
    I must disagree with you about Warhammer Dwarfs being there for commic relief. Alot of Warhammer itself is supposed to truly dark and grim but there is comedy with all of the major races if you think about it. Warhammer Dwarfs are just as serious, devoted if not more so do to there grudges (I dont know of any LOTR equivilents) and they have bigger beards!
    Emphasised for truth. The entire Warhammer universe, despite the perception of grimness, is in fact a comedy universe. They have to do that, or it would just be depressing to read because the grimness is so ramped up (sometimes, the grimness is a parody all by itself). So Warhammer Dwarves are comic Grudge-with-capital-letter-bearers shaped like basketballs with arms and beards who guzzle a lot of beer and carry anvils around on the battlefield, Warhammer Orcs are bright green comic-homocidial maniacs with Cockney accents who deal out a lot of gratitious cartoon violence, Warhammer Empire humans are parodies of medieval flagellants/Leonardo da Vinci-weird science/late medieval germans, Warhammer Bretonnia humans are parodies of several silly perceptions of high medieval society, be it the Victorian romantic noble knight or the idea of the downtrodden inbred peasant - I think the last edition of the Bretonnia army book had the peasants tithing 90% of their produce to their lords. That would likely wipe out all agriculture in Bretonnia within a season, as they wouldn't have enough seed to plant the next crop, let alone anything to eat

    Then there are silly rat-men speaking like mentally unbalanced children on crack, Chaos worshippers who seems to have ridden straight out of 70s/80s metal covers and dress like Glamrockers, Dark Elven S/M fetischists and so on and so forth.

    The grimness of Warhammer (and Warhammer 40,000) is skin deep. And it's kind of fun, really, but you cannot take it all that seriously.
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    Actually there is quite a fair bit of depth to the warhammer universe, yeah there's the comedy stuff ie orcs, but what you get from it really depends on what aspect of it you focus on.
    Comparing Warhammer to LotR is a little silly tho because they are too different to be compared, Tolkien focuses very much on making LotR mythological and mysterious, with a British Imperial/Catholic flavour, whereas Warhammer tries to make it's universe more believable, with a little comic relief (also making the races balanced because it's based on a game)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringeck View Post
    The original The Hobbit lineup of dwarves are taken straight out of the "dwarf list" of the norse creation poem Vǫluspá, stanzas 10-16:

    http://www.heimskringla.no/wiki/Völuspá

    See any names you recognize?

    Norse mythological dwarves have several characteristics Tolkien copied. They are miners, smiths and artisans, whose craftsmanship is far above that of men (and Gods), and possess magical knowledge that aids in their work. Of course, there is a lot of confusion in the norse liteature on many of the mythological beings, and dwarves are often confused with other beings of myth.
    All of the named dwaves were taken out of the list of the dvergar in the edda, so if you look at that you'll see a lot you recognise. I think tolkien also added some elements of norse dark elves (Nothing like any other kind of dark Elves) into his dwarves.

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    I prefer the Warhammer dwarves simply because I'm a fan of dwarves, and lore-wise, the elves of Middle-Earth were pretty much demi-god. Warhammer had the game in mind (Tolkien only thought of the stories, he didn't imagine his books would turn into games) so the races were more or less balanced.

    Quote Originally Posted by evinmulligan View Post
    You do know that warhammer dwarfs are probably based loosely on lotr dwarves
    Without a doubt. Most contemporary fantasies are partially based on Tolkien's world.
    Last edited by Kawee; June 15, 2009 at 02:28 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kawee View Post

    Without a doubt. Most contemporary fantasies are partially based on Tolkien's world.
    QFT. All Dwarfs anywhere have to have alot in commom with Tokliens our they arent dwarfs, but they must be different enough to a point where they are rather different or you have no imagenation of your own. I think GameWorkshop pulled it off rather well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warmaster Tibs View Post
    QFT. All Dwarfs anywhere have to have alot in commom with Tokliens our they arent dwarfs, but they must be different enough to a point where they are rather different or you have no imagenation of your own. I think GameWorkshop pulled it off rather well.
    Well...obviously. For example, all dwarves are short. But I'm not sure where Tolkien got the whole idea that Dwarves are very good at craftsmanship,etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kawee View Post
    Well...obviously. For example, all dwarves are short. But I'm not sure where Tolkien got the whole idea that Dwarves are very good at craftsmanship,etc etc.
    I think Dwarves originate from norse mythology. Dwarves are barely present on Tolkien but they really capture the imagination.

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    Dwarfses of courses
    much prefer the Warhammer dwarves because everything in Warhammer is more bombastic and less depressing and elf oriented (elves of course being completely gay)

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    dwarves of course

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    WarCraft Dwarves rule.

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    Well Dwarves are lotr and dwarfs are warhammer sooooo...
    That didn't make any sence


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    Quote Originally Posted by muffer View Post
    Well Dwarves are lotr and dwarfs are warhammer sooooo...
    That didn't make any sence
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    the link doesn't work because the ) is also supposed to be part of the link. like this

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_(Warhammer),
    not like in your post :
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_(Warhammer)

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