Atheism is full of absurdities

[Wu'a'ihiwalu]

Ultimately, in reference to origins, there are only two choices. First, all came from something or someone capable of creating among everything else. I conveniently call that someone God. Second, all came from nothing caused by nothing. That is completely absurd. Essentially, the argument of the atheist is: "God does not exist; time created everything.", but time is part of infinity! How can a part create the whole? I tell you how: in no way can a part create the whole, it is an entirely illogical and absurd idea.

Atheism does not need to be disproved, it is logically absurd for a finite mind to deny the existence of an infinite mind. How do you contradict infinity? I ask those especially with scientific principles. Is infinity not a part of both science and math? If infinity doesn't exist, how do you define a finite universe? Where does it end? Do you bump into some sort of wall? That is completely absurd too.

Atheists may point out the contradictions in the Bible as evidence that the Bible is not true, offering the only other option is false (nevertheless it also contradicts infinity, as there is always at least a third option); they may also claim that since "nobody can prove God exists, it doesn't exist indeed" (which is a circular argumentation), they will never find the question to infinity and the first cause, AKA a Supreme and Infinite Personal Being, the Creator and Ruler of the universe. An open mind is needed to accept the completeness of reality.

[VALIS]

Infinity is simply a concept of human thinking, many scientists are divided whether actual infinites exist.

But I do feel the two cosmological arguments for God are the most persuasive.

[AdamWeishaupt]

Atheism does not need to be disproved, it is logically absurd for a finite mind to deny the existence of an infinite mind.

Absurdity would be a good argument for atheism, wouldn't it?

[Desperado †]

If you find it absurd that something came from nothing, where did God come from?

[VALIS]

If you find it absurd that something came from nothing, where did God come from?

Most theists answer to this is simply to say "God always existed".

[Wu'a'ihiwalu]

If you find it absurd that something came from nothing, where did God come from?

If one is capable of creating everything else, there's no further originator.

You could also conveniently call that someone the Flying Spaghetti Monster, do you see what I mean? And why someone not something? You need to broaden your thinking a little.

If you believe that you are the result of an explosion or worse still that you created yourself, you are going to have a lot of trouble with life.

You find it absurd that I do not believe what you believe?

It isn't faith, it's reasonable knowledge. How do you disprove infinity and the first cause?

[The Dude]

It isn't faith, it's reasonable knowledge. How do you disprove infinity and the first cause?

It's no knowledge, it's pure assumption. The assumption that you are already good enough to think up all possible causes for the existence of the universe, and the assumption that you are good enough to conclude the most likely cause.

I prefer to say that I simply have no idea wtf is up with this universe. You try convincing me that that is somehow absurd.

[Desperado †]

If one is capable of creating everything else, there's no further originator.

Because...?

We must accept that there are many things, many many things, we will never be able to answer or understand in our short, humble lifespans. We shouldn't try and fill the gaps with quick-fix solutions, we should just keep an open mind, and stick to our own morals rather than those preached by people who claim they are more righteous, and care more about the life of dying African children than that of some pompous Pope. I neither deny God nor accept him, but I realise there are many more important things I should worry about and strive to find a solution for.

[Wu'a'ihiwalu]

Because...?

We must accept that there are many things, many many things, we will never be able to answer or understand in our short, humble lifespans. We shouldn't try and fill the gaps with quick-fix solutions, we should just keep an open mind, and stick to our own morals rather than those preached by people who claim they are more righteous, and care more about the life of dying African children than that of some pompous Pope. I neither deny God nor accept him, but I realise there are many more important things I should worry about and strive to find a solution for.

The universe is always listening. Ask, and you shall receive. God is just waiting for you to take the first step.

[Desperado †]

The universe is always listening. Ask, and you shall receive. God is just waiting for you to take the first step.

I do not wish to receive, I wish for others who are starving and suffering to. I do not think that trying to find my spiritual soul, or trying to speak to 'God', or questioning the secrets of life will achieve this.

[Rich86]

If you believe that you are the result of an explosion or worse still that you created yourself, you are going to have a lot of trouble with life.

When does this 'trouble' start? I've not noticed it yet.

It isn't faith, it's reasonable knowledge. How do you disprove infinity and the first cause?

Burden of proof.

Quite often atheists seek to disprove the existence of God, through pointing out errors and deficiencies in different religions.

No that is simply an attempt to point out the absurdity of your religion - not 'disprove' God.

Some text definitely have divine inspiration.

Such as?

Just put on your stupid cap and its easy to be an atheist.

Just put on your 'I have no brain and I cling onto bronze age myths because I can't handle the real world' cap and its easy to be a theist.

Hey I can throw petty insults around too!

[justicar5]

If one is capable of creating everything else, there's no further originator.



If you believe that you are the result of an explosion or worse still that you created yourself, you are going to have a lot of trouble with life.



It isn't faith, it's reasonable knowledge. How do you disprove infinity and the first cause?

the answers are all attacks, nice try troll boy, you just dinged level 2 troll, only took you 200 posts.

[AdamWeishaupt]

If you find it absurd that something came from nothing, where did God come from?

The absurdity would consist, spoken of God, in a being turned away from us, because of the personal categories involved in this kind of conversation. The "where from" is less of a problem if the here-being is secured because you can say, "from ethical requirements", or " from absurdities that challenge ethics" - as examples. The problem is and that is discussed in another thread, what does this mean in relation to ontologies and ethcis. As I have said in the other thread, it is a tricky problem. One consequence is that you should not use religious metaphors in relation to nature and vice versa - what has other interesting consequences for the use of language.

[Helm]

Ultimately, in reference to origins, there are only two choices. First, all came from something or someone capable of creating among everything else. I conveniently call that someone God.

You could also conveniently call that someone the Flying Spaghetti Monster, do you see what I mean? And why someone not something? You need to broaden your thinking a little.

[Helm]

You could also say the universe always existed as well it amounts to the same thing.

[VALIS]

You could also say the universe always existed as well it amounts to the same thing.

Yeah, but we now know due to big bang cosmology that the universe had a beginning.

[The Dude]

You find it absurd that I do not believe what you believe?

[Helm]

Yeah, but we now know due to big bang cosmology that the universe had a beginning.

Did it begin or did it just loop back?

[GrnEyedDvl]

Yeah, but we now know due to big bang cosmology that the universe had a beginning.

But you could argue that our universe was created when another universe died because it collapsed on itself. Everything compacted, went off in a spectacular explosion and was flung back out into the reaches of space.

EDIT: The poll is also very biased. How would you like it if I posted a similar poll that said something like "People that believe in god are:" and listed your options?

[Chlodwig I.]

... they may also claim that since "nobody can prove God exists, it doesn't exist indeed" (which is a circular argumentation)...

but the other way round "you can't disproof god, so he exists" is not a circular argumentation?

But if you reduce God to a guy who caused the big bang, then this god is compared to the ones described in the religous books a very poor God

If one is capable of creating everything else, there's no further originator.

Thats as logical as the things you are questioning.
its as logical as nothing, a dense point of matter, the flying sphagetti monster, the pink coloured invisible unicorn, me myself and I etc.