Two articles which both compliment each other on the issue of Islamists in Central Asia:
This doesn't surprise me considering that Islam Karimov is a repressive and authoritarian dictator who is not even fully Uzbek lol.
Two articles which both compliment each other on the issue of Islamists in Central Asia:
This doesn't surprise me considering that Islam Karimov is a repressive and authoritarian dictator who is not even fully Uzbek lol.
Last edited by Babur; June 12, 2009 at 11:01 AM.
The 'Stan' countries should just merge.
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I have a feeling that theese guys will be called freedom fighters instead of terrorists...![]()
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Islamists...
Really, what's wrong with those people?..
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I've actually talked about these guys before. Karinov is bad and so are these guys, but compared to the IMU Karinov is the lesser evil. And I've talked about the impact of a Taliban controlled Afghanistan with relations to these guys.
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All the Stans are in trouble, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are real powder keg. All they need is a match. Corruption, unemployment, powerabuse and heroin flooding the countries are the main problems.
The ICG has worrying on all countries. http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=5907 A bit speculative though.
Rumours are growing stronger and are getting persistent that around a 1000 Taliban fighters are crossing into Tajiskistan from Northern Pakistan. Can't verify that anywhere unfortunately. In May 2009 the Talibs warned Tajikstan for the consequences of aiding the USA. Tajikistan would be a cakewalk for them. Opening up a new corridor for heroin to China and Russia and transfer fighters from and to Uzbekistan makes sense.
We could be in for a surprise.
Last edited by Gumpfendorfer; June 12, 2009 at 10:49 PM.
I take pride in knowing Blair kept these animals in power.
The south east of Kygryzstan is only dubiously Kyrgyz. Many cities there have been Uzbek for a very long time (the Kyrgyzs themselves didn't really live in cities until the late 19th century - they were just nomads). The area has been pretty volatile, especially after there was no longer the Soviet Union to keep things in check.
Luckily for the rest of the country in the north and north-east, it's separated by some impresive mountains. Which means unrest rarely spills over into 'actual' Kyrgyzstan.
It's interestig you mention this. Because the former Soviet central asian countries' infrastructures are very interconnected. For example, for electricity and gas there are massive grids spanning Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, and Turkmenistan, which still link up with Russia. And when they were built, they were never designed for independent, bickering and poor countries.
So they now have to have many agreements stipulating exactly how energy is shared. In short, they all depend on each other to some degree. It's definitely in their interests to relax controls, so that the system can function as it was designed to.
Now, whether any political union at all follows this, I don't know. Probably not, as they're all far to diverse.
Last edited by ivan_the_terrible; June 12, 2009 at 08:22 PM.
IMU coming back? Usually happens in one big cycle of. Kazakhstan seems to be the only country around there that has its affairs in some sort of order. I guess a level of authoritarianism is needed to maintain a peacful societey when it comes to the Central Asian Republics.
Yes lets keep supporting evil secular dictators in teh middle east and Central Asia! That will certainly persuade the terrorists to stop hating the state which supports teh dictator that oppresses the common people! Thus we can prevent another 9/11
Poor poor naive americanos
Except I am Russian and if you are going to install a "democracy" in some of those countries than it will just degrade into a civil war. We can use Kygyzstan as an example with the Tulip revolution of further democratization going wrong. Something tell me if "democracy" hit Uzbekistan, it would make the Tulip revolution look like the singing revolution in the Baltics.
Poor Poor naive whatver you are...
I was not even talking to you, it was a general statement. Oh and PS Your nation is the root cause of practically all of Central Asia's problems. So do not get me even started there. Maybe you should think before making more ignorant comments.
Hah. Russia is the only reason Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Tajikistan have anything at all.
As soon as Russia/Soviet Union is gone, they fall to pieces. Take Kyrgyzstan, for example. They were nomads who lived in tents. Which is absolutely fine. But what did they get from Russia (and then the SU)? Lets see....infrastructure, industrialisation, modernisation, education, an alphabet to write their own language, emancipation of women etc etc.
Any problems they have now derive from Russia very indirectly at most.
The root of Kyrgyzstan's problems is a culture that is still largely tribal-based, and prone to excessive corruption.
Last edited by ivan_the_terrible; June 13, 2009 at 03:48 AM.
Its the cause of some if its problems and also the cause of many of the things that will bring it out of obscurity. Its also the place where much of their youth goes to find economic oportunity and education. Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kygyz, and Kazakhs go to my country in search of opportunity, beleive it or not. So my country's relationship with the central asian republics is multifaceted in that respect. I would love to get your started. Aswell, if my comments are ignorant, than what are yours? You seem to just toe the common line: USSR=bad: therefore all influence USSR had in Central Asia is bad.
Last edited by YuriVII; June 13, 2009 at 11:08 AM.
People will resort to many things when under the authority of abusive dictators. Evil is evil and change is change.
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