Don't try

[Imperator Romani]

1-What do you think of Obama.(how he's doing)

2-What do you think of free health care? I know that it sounds great, but does it make sense? Why would someone want to be a doctor with free health care? What's the point of going to college for 8 years and making a fraction more than someone who didn't. I know the government would pay them a certain amount, but that would be A FRACTION of what they make now.

To add to the above topic, the majority of the people that can't afford health care just don't work. It's unfair to give them a free bee on everything. That welfare comes from our taxes, not out of thin air. Right now-correct me if I'm wrong-taxes are around 30% of a dollar. After Obama is done with doctors that will be 70% out of a dollar. Plus the below point.

3-Have ya'll heard of Obama's brilliant plan. That if you get a degree, and you get a bad job, you don't have to pay your dues. Mediocre job, half. Good job, all of it. That's saying don't try. What do you think?

SORRY IF SOMEONE HAS POSTED THIS ALREADY. I LOOKED ON 3 PAGES AND DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING, IF THERE IS ALREADY ONE JUST IGNORE IT.

PEACE

[Gromovnik]

Dear God, thank You so much for allowing me to be born in Europe...

[Georgy Zhukov]

1-What do you think of Obama.(how he's doing)

Ahemm, domestically im unsure though in foreign policy I think he's doing very well

2-What do you think of free health care? I know that it sounds great, but does it make sense? Why would someone want to be a doctor with free health care? What's the point of going to college for 8 years and making a fraction more than someone who didn't. I know the government would pay them a certain amount, but that would be A FRACTION of what they make now.

Coming from a family that is filled to the brim with physicians (and an aspiring phyisician myself) I can tell you that doctor's don't get into it for the money, some may, but most get into it to actually make a difference in sicks peoples health, or to be granted the respect that such a valued position is worth. EDIT: Albeit money is a bonus, but doctors may get the latter end of the deal hear since they have such high malpractice premiums, I know that there are a lot of bonuses for physicians in socialized systems, such as large pensions, good vacations days, as well as the fact that the nation takes care of the med school fees which I would like . . .

To add to the above topic, the majority of the people that can't afford health care just don't work. It's unfair to give them a free bee on everything. That welfare comes from our taxes, not out of thin air. Right now-correct me if I'm wrong-taxes are around 30% of a dollar. After Obama is done with doctors that will be 70% out of a dollar. Plus the below point.

What the hell are you talking about? 50,000,000 people don't have health insurance, are you telling me 17% of the population is unemployed? We have a 7% unemployment rate right? That is not the majority, health care in this nation sucks total bawlz, I had to wait 4 hours to make sure my sprained ankle is a sprained ankle, and from the people on this forum at least, and from realtives that live in socialist health care nations It seems they are very satisfied with their care. Hell our vets get socialized medecine, why cant we get socialized medecine.

[GrnEyedDvl]

Ahemm, domestically im unsure though in foreign policy I think he's doing very well

He sucks at both.

What the hell are you talking about? 50,000,000 people don't have health insurance, are you telling me 17% of the population is unemployed? We have a 7% unemployment rate?

That unemployment rate only counts people that have applied for benefits, not part timers, not students, and not children, and not people who left a job voluntarily or simply do not work such as housewives. That accounts for the disparity.

That is not the majority, health care in this nation sucks total bawlz, I had to wait 4 hours to make sure my sprained ankle is a sprained ankle, and from the people on this forum at least, and from realtives that live in socialist health care nations It seems they are very satisfied with their care.

You mean the Canadians coming to the US in droves to get out of their system? The Cleveland Ohio clinics have a 10% Canadian client base.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...ans_rushe.html

Source

Throughout the 1990s, opponents of the Canadian system gained considerable political traction in the United States by pointing to Canada’s methods of rationing, its facility shortages, and its waiting lists for certain services. These same opponents also argued that "refugees" of Canada’s single-payer system routinely came across the border seeking necessary medical care not available at home because of either lack of resources or prohibitively long queues.

Source

Of course, you won't learn the answer for quite awhile. Your doctor informs you that there's a ten-week wait for an MRI. Ten weeks of chronic headaches will be bad enough, you think, but not knowing what's wrong will be even worse because of the worry.

The doc attempts to lighten the mood by pointing out that you could have gone for an MRI in less than a week if you were a dog. Somehow that's not comforting.

Hell our vets get socialized medecine, why cant we get socialized medecine.

Because I dont want to pay for both yours and mine. Pay for your own and keep Obama's hands out of my pockets, hes taken more than enough already.

[Georgy Zhukov]

He sucks at both.

Depends on perspective.

That unemployment rate only counts people that have applied for benefits, not part timers, not students, and not children, and not people who left a job voluntarily or simply do not work such as housewives. That accounts for the disparity.

You mean the Canadians coming to the US in droves to get out of their system? The Cleveland Ohio clinics have a 10% Canadian client base.

I agree NHS isn't a particularly good model for a health care system Like I said in my above post, I'd much prefer a french/German style health care system

Because I dont want to pay for both yours and mine. Pay for your own and keep Obama's hands out of my pockets, hes taken more than enough already.

Hey, maybe you don't see it as a good idea. It's your opinion. But from what I've observed about western civilization is that it naturally liberalizes and I don't think it's an if for socialized health care but a when. Honestly right now is not a good time to establish a system given the economic climate.

[JP226]

What the hell are you talking about? 50,000,000 people don't have health insurance, are you telling me 17% of the population is unemployed? We have a 7% unemployment rate? That is not the majority, health care in this nation sucks total bawlz, I had to wait 4 hours to make sure my sprained ankle is a sprained ankle, and from the people on this forum at least, and from realtives that live in socialist health care nations It seems they are very satisfied with their care. Hell our vets get socialized medecine, why cant we get socialized medecine.

You are pissed about our care because you had to wait in line and you want to add an additional 50 million people because?

[Georgy Zhukov]

You are pissed about our care because you had to wait in line and you want to add an additional 50 million people because?

For one thing thing I don't advocate NHS style health care since that is too brutal, I advocate a more french/german leaning system that has the deterrent of a payment for a percentage of the health care. I'd rather have 50,000,000 fellow human beings covered in care then see myself get my minor ailments treated faster.

[Erik]

Why would someone want to be a doctor with free health care?

I don't know why people want to become doctors period.
The hours suck and the patients suck even more.
And that's not even mentioning the horrible sick stuff you sometimes have to do.

But fact is: in my country (with universal health care) so many students want to become a doctor that universities have to hold a lottery just to decide who's "lucky" enough to be admitted, or else we'd have 3 times as many doctors as our country needs.

[Каие]

1-What do you think of Obama.(how he's doing)

Fantastic on Foreign policy, but chaotic domestically. Testing times for a novice.

2-What do you think of free health care? I know that it sounds great, but does it make sense? Why would someone want to be a doctor with free health care? What's the point of going to college for 8 years and making a fraction more than someone who didn't. I know the government would pay them a certain amount, but that would be A FRACTION of what they make now.

Erm, what? British doctors in the NHS can get paid between £120,000 to £200,000. That's more than the Prime Minister and US President. I wouldn't call that a bad wage, or a fraction of anything. Unless American doctors get paid millions a year.

To add to the above topic, the majority of the people that can't afford health care just don't work. It's unfair to give them a free bee on everything. That welfare comes from our taxes, not out of thin air. Right now-correct me if I'm wrong-taxes are around 30% of a dollar. After Obama is done with doctors that will be 70% out of a dollar. Plus the below point.

You are wrong, I believe. Obama will not tax anyone at 70%. In the UK Welfare comes from paying tax while you're working. In addition, everyone pays tax. Income tax is not the only tax. There is tax on consumption, VAT.

3-Have ya'll heard of Obama's brilliant plan. That if you get a degree, and you get a bad job, you don't have to pay your dues. Mediocre job, half. Good job, all of it. That's saying don't try. What do you think?

I believe university education in practical and useful degrees like Medicine, Law and Engineering should be entirely free and based on academic ability. So this point is moot for me.

[justicar5]

Thank you FSM that I was born in europe.

[Phier]

What do I think of Obama?

Apparently dog poop is obscene

Still holds though....

[Dunecat]

Acceptable. It's good. Yes.

[Surgeon]

I'm personally under the impression that the American Medical Association is what's to blame for the (so-called) American health problems. Free health care or no, you're not going to get anywhere if you don't expand your medical schools and/or establish new ones.

[Phier]

I'm personally under the impression that the American Medical Association is what's to blame for the (so-called) American health problems. Free health care or no, you're not going to get anywhere if you don't expand your medical schools and/or establish new ones.

Yes because more mediocre quality doctors will solve the problem

Edit: I'll add the only real doctor shortages are found in democrat controlled states where the medical malpractice is to high due to the trial lawyers donating 100's of millions to the democrats.

[Surgeon]

Yes because more mediocre quality doctors will solve the problem

Edit: I'll add the only real doctor shortages are found in democrat controlled states where the medical malpractice is to high due to the trial lawyers donating 100's of millions to the democrats.

How exactly does expanding/more med schools = mediocre doctors?

[Phier]

How exactly does expanding/more med schools = mediocre doctors?

Many can't poor piss out of a boot as it is with the current classes.

Medicine is HARD, there are only so many people qualified who also want to make that time commitment.

Bigger classes coupled with the lower qualifications needed would not be a recipe for good doctors.

Added if you lower the compensation for doctors, it will also lower the quality. I worked my ass off for 11 years to do what I do now, I love what I do, I would NOT do it again if you told me I'd be making the same at a 'normal' job.

[Каие]

Yes because more mediocre quality doctors will solve the problem

Yep, and less doctors altogether will fix it (!)

[Vequor]

Hours suck for doctors, everyone knows this. The reason is the lower the quota percentage for new doctors every year, so no matter how many good doctors there are, only a few of them are actually going to get licensed because of the quota system. Its designed to give more business aka money to the few that are lucky enough to get into the quota and the existing doctors who control it.

[razor-]

2-What do you think of free health care? I know that it sounds great, but does it make sense? Why would someone want to be a doctor with free health care? What's the point of going to college for 8 years and making a fraction more than someone who didn't. I know the government would pay them a certain amount, but that would be A FRACTION of what they make now.

No such thing as free health care, dont forget it is payed through taxes. Anyway both my parents are doctors in a universal health care system and has never complained about their salary. Personally I have also always been content with my treatment and have never experienced the long waiting lines that people say come out of nationalized health care. What so ever Denmark is a not the same as USA and I can understand the difficulties implementing it in a culture based so much on individualism.

[cristophe el perno]

Socialised Healthcare would be a good thing for America, and although Obama will have his work cut out making it happen, I wish him the best of luck.
50 million (and some estimates are considerably higher) without provision for healthcare is a travesty in a nation that calls itself civilised, regardless of whether or not they've worked hard or not.
Britain largely grew out of blaiming poverty on lazyness in the late 19th century, as did the rest of Western Europe - perhaps America could follow suite eventually?