Alternative Rohan roster, for RC/RR [June 15 Update]

[Hellenikon]

Introduction

Have you even wondered why the current Rohan roster have so many infantry units? and why the basic cavalry unit of Rohan is worse or equal than of others human factions?

With this submod i wanted to give Rohan a more unique feel, making their cavalry units more available since the beginning, and reducing a bit the some unnecessary units that had very similar roles. Now each unit have a different role on the battlefield. I also wanted each unit to look more different, for example, basic units wear mail while advanced units wear scales. The basic rohan archers now look like hunters instead of wearing mail armour.

This project is based on the RC/RR created by Point Blank, and so you´ll need to install the latest version of it first.

Compatible with RC/RR June 15 Update

Features

In this new Rohan roster i´ve kept the stats of the units of RC/RR, only doing very minor changes where the aspect of the unit was greatly changed. For example, as the basic archers no longer wear mail, i changed their armor value. The inmense majority of units keep the same stats thought.

Alternative Rohan Roster

-Bodyguard

This men are few in numbers, but are the most capable ones chosen from the ranks of the royal guard. Provides a powerful bodyguard capable of moving fast throught the battlefield to where the general is most needed.

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• Infantry

-Eorling Militia (Tier 1)

This unit represent the militiamen who have very little training, and wear the most easy weapon to use, spears. They are lightly armored with only leather armour, helmets and round shields. They´re not very dependable on the battlefield and are best at garrisoning settlements.

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-Spearmen (Tier 2)

This unit represent all the common riders, not noblemen, that dismount to fight as spearmen when the situation requires so. They can afford better armour than their militia counterparts, and are not strange to war either. Provides a medium all around spearmen unit capable to defend agaisnt cavalry.

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-Rohan Swordmen (Tier 3)
This unit represent the minor noblemen who choose to fight on foot instead of mounted, they are clad in scale armour and some of them carry swords instead of axes, meaning that they´re more wealthy that the rest. This unit is the only sword and shield unit available for Rohan, and it is quite good, only outmatched by the more elite or heavy infantry of other nations.

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-Riddermark Axemen (AOR, requires riddermark,Tier 4, first event)
These are the noblemen who choose to wield big two handed axes, and fight as a elite close combat unit. This unit is the anti-armour for excellence, they have quite high attack and are specially useful agaisnt heavy armored opponents. They´re very well armoured in full mail or scales, plus carrying a shield on their backs.

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-Dismounted Royal guard (AOR, requires Edoras, Tier 5, second event)
When the situation arises, the royal guard dismount to fight on foot as a elite spearmen unit. They´re the best spearmen available to Rohan, capable of fending off almost any cavalry unit.

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• Missile

-Eorling Archers (Tier 1)
These hunters provide the rohirrim armies with some support as archers, while their hunting bows are not very well suited for war, they´re quite accurate and specially useful agaisnt unarmored foes.

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-Helmingas (AOR, requires Hornburg unique building)
The Helmingas form an elite unit of very good archers who are also able of defend themselves at melee. Armed with small round shields, axes and scale mail, the helmingas can support their comrades in melee after firing their deadly volleys.

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• Cavalry

-Riddermark skirsmishers (AOR, requires riddermark, tier1)
These horsemen are quite skilled at scouting and skirmishing duties, they provide the bulk of the rohan riders with firepower. They are quite well armoured and are able to fight in melee when needed.

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-Rohan riders (Tier 1)
This unit is the basic medium horsemen of rohan, from those people wealthy enough to afford a horse, armour and war equipment. They´re very fast and their charge is very powerful. Suffers in prolonged melee thought.

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-Eóred horse archers (Tier 2)
From the minor noblemen come these skilled riders, with have mastered the use of the bow while riding. They put aside their shield to be able to aim better. Contrary to the variags, the people of rohan are not so good at horse archery, but being armoured in scale armour, they are a flexible unit capable of entering melee if necessary.

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-Éored heavy lancers (Tier 3, first event)
The eored form the heavy cavalry of the rohirrim, superb armoured and formed by noblemen who spend all their lives fighting.

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-Royal guard (Tier 4, second event)
This unit is the pride of rohan, and one of the deadliest heavy cavalry of the world. Chosen from the most dedicated of all the rohan riders.

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Credits

This wouldn´t have been possible without the great work of the people who worked hard on the models and textures of the original rohan roster, these are:

• King Kong
• Disgruntled Goat
• Dragut (Captain of Pirates)

Also, these units use the balanced stats of the RC/RR mod, created by:

• Point Blank

I´d like to thanks King Kong for allowing me to release this modification to the community, and Point Blank for allowing me the use of the RC files.

Download

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3R4D04BM

Installations instructions are included inside the download.

Includes helmingas model fix

[Louis Lux]

You have a very valid proposition here, I'll definitely try this when playing Rohan.

[Meneldil]

I haven't had a look at the stats, but I'm not sure Rohan's cavalry is that bad (or that normal). When playing with Rohan I regularly crushed huge armies of Isengard/OotMM/Rhun with cavalry only armies.

[Hellenikon]

I haven't had a look at the stats, but I'm not sure Rohan's cavalry is that bad (or that normal). When playing with Rohan I regularly crushed huge armies of Isengard/OotMM/Rhun with cavalry only armies.

I was mainly refering to the fact that the first cavalry unit of Rohan (the scouts) is a mediocre unit, compared to other tier 1 cavalry units of other factions, like the gondor cavalry militia or the haradrim southron lancers. What i wanted to do is to give Rohan superior cavalry right from the very first units.

[PSIHOPAT]

With this submod i wanted to give Rohan a more unique feel, making their cavalry units more available since the beginning, and reducing a bit the some unnecessary units that had very similar roles. Now each unit have a different role on the battlefield. I also wanted each unit to look more different, for example, basic units wear mail while advanced units wear scales.

I like that.I hope you will make modification for all factions alowing thir units to have different role on the battlefield,and to require diferent tactics,depending by faction.
+rep

[abbews]

Looks promising! And i like that the Eored Horse Archers have their shields on the horse !

[sirfiggin]

fwarrr!!!! Thats more like it!

[evinmulligan]

you should rename scouts to militia to represent the cavalry base of the faction

[Ragnarök]

I was wondering why Rohan had so many infantry units in their armies, too. Your changes are very well done, more variation is always good

[Mac-Picsou]

Your mod should be included in the next version!

[Hellenikon]

Thank you very much for the support

you should rename scouts to militia to represent the cavalry base of the faction

Sorry, i didn´t understand you, what do you mean? Rohan scouts are no longer in the rohan roster, they are replaced in functions with the riddermark skirmishers.


I just realised that the helmingas models had a bug... silly of me, i used the wrong body model to their texture and then tried to fix the mistake but only managed to make it more subtle, it was still there... so at last what i´ve done is to use the correct model. The problem was with the reloading animation, that you could see a white spot on the hand.

I´ll soon upload a new version, with the fixed helmingas, and also compatible with the june 12 update of RC.

[evinmulligan]

Thank you very much for the support
Sorry, i didn´t understand you, what do you mean? Rohan scouts are no longer in the rohan roster, they are replaced in functions with the riddermark skirmishers.

I mean you should add them, but rename them to militia, to give the sense that practically everyone in rohan owned a horse. More for immersion than function really.

[tls5669]

I was wondering why Rohan had so many infantry units in their armies, too. Your changes are very well done, more variation is always good

Its much easier to defend cities with infantry units then cavalry units. Its hard to do street fighting with mounted units.

Every city I capture I always recruit at least 4 (but 6 is better) archer units for the walls. 2 mounted units, and the rest infantry. Trap the enemy at the gates and flank them with your mounted units.

And I agree the first mounted unit Rohan gets is pathetic.

[vietnoboy]

Will this work with the June 12 update

[Achilla]

Erhm ... no offence but spear is hardly 'the easiest weapon to wield'. It took way more training to use the spear effectively unlike chop-smash-bash-cutting with sword or axe that any bandit or militia unit without training could do. Spear was among the most skillful weapons and most universal, quite competent in melee contrary to popular belief.

Will this work with the June 12 update

This project is based on the RC/RR created by Point Blank, and so you´ll need to install the latest version of it first. (Current June 9 version)

Reading with understanding ftw?

[vietnoboy]

LOL yeah I already understood, but I was just hoping that it would you know?
This is a pretty good mod so I kept hope alive.

[Hellenikon]

Erhm ... no offence but spear is hardly 'the easiest weapon to wield'. It took way more training to use the spear effectively unlike chop-smash-bash-cutting with sword or axe that any bandit or militia unit without training could do. Spear was among the most skillful weapons and most universal, quite competent in melee contrary to popular belief

No offense but you are wrong, spears were cheap to produce and easy to use, requiring only limited training. That´s why most militiamen were armed with spears in ancient and medieval times.

I´ve decided to not continue updating this submod for now, not because of a lack of interest, but because i am currently having some problems with my PC, and i don´t have much time to keep updating to each new RC version.

I´ll try later and do an update to a future RC version, with the helmingas fix included. Besides that, i won´t be working any more on this project, as altought i appreciate that some of you like the idea, the team of TATW seems to prefer the original rohan roster over this one.

Anyway, Thank you guys for the support
Regards

[Achilla]

No offense but you are wrong, spears were cheap to produce and easy to use, requiring only limited training. That´s why most militiamen were armed with spears in ancient and medieval times.

I´ve decided to not continue updating this submod for now, not because of a lack of interest, but because i am currently having some problems with my PC, and i don´t have much time to keep updating to each new RC version.

I´ll try later and do an update to a future RC version, with the helmingas fix included. Besides that, i won´t be working any more on this project, as altought i appreciate that some of you like the idea, the team of TATW seems to prefer the original rohan roster over this one.

Anyway, Thank you guys for the support
Regards

I think you misunderstood me. Yes, spear was very common weapon because it was easy and cheap to produce and for this reason most peasants and militia rabble got their hands on some sort of polearm weapon throughout history. Yes, even with little training given you could learn your soldiers to move as a formation and even on 1vs1 situation spear was a deadly weapon because of the higher reach and stabbing abilities. Though, spear was very universal weapon used by peasants, professionals and noble alike and it still doesn't change the fact that to truly master the spear it took very serious training. Just because something is already effective with little training involved, doesn't make the weapon obsolete or 'unworthy' of true warriors, quite the opposite. If you asked a medieval professional, noble and peasant the question 'what weapon would you use to save yourself from death?' the answer would be a spear, but each of them would have different reasons behind that choice if you understand what I merely pointed out. I still claim spear was harder to truly master given possible techniques than a sword. And no, we are not talking about oriental sword fencing arts but about european and close east warfare since antiquity to late medieval.

[Point Blank]

I would question that. The sword was long known as the weapon of a man of status and wealth, used by noble infantry and men-at-arms by choice as well as availability. This is universal across many cultures. They would seldom use a spear unless for a particular reason.

Spear, especially 1-handed, is limited to one main attack - thrust. OK it can be overhand, underhand etc, and you can sort of slash with a broad-blade headed spear, but a sword has a lot more techniques to master and is a more flexible weapon, witness the many schools of swordsmanship in medieval times.

[Achilla]

In formation spear wins big time. Tbh, it's all cool and logical to carry spear and shield, along with a sword or axe for a switch. As for the swords, I would say it was as well a show-off of social status since not everybody could afford a sword, unlike axe or spear. Heavily armoured knights with swords would usually beat the other to exhaustion and then ransom them for a price instead of killing them, and like we know swords weren't too effective against heavy layers of solid armour. Sure, sword is a good thing, but think of this more of like bow vs crossbow, or bow vs firearm ... ask yourself what is cheaper to produce and maintain, easier to train in the use and more universal and you will have your answer for dominant battlefield weapons that shaped them through centuries and dictated how battles were fought.