Idea for a fantasy mod

[oelewapper]

First, I have to say I have no modding qualities whatsoever, but sometimes I can be creative. Some time ago I was on holiday, and I started to make up a few factions and units, not even with a Total War game in mind, just for fun, or maybe when I would be rich to pay a company to make a game out of it
Anyway, I recently decided to throw it on this forum, so maybe there can be made a good fantasy mod of it.
I will only describe the factions here, the unit rosters and map will be later, I've never posted images on this site (although it can't be that diff). You will notice I tried to make some original factions, and not classical ones like Orcs and High Elves.

Factions:

Snow Elves: hardy elves, living in the Northern Mountains, riding griffins, mountain lions and wooly rhino's

Jungle Elves: like wood elves, but more Aztec-like, living in an Amazon-style jungle. Using rafts

Desert Elves: Arab-style elves, riding ostrich, commanding snakes & other reptiles

Coast Dwarves: dwarves armed with fishing nets, tridents. Riding albatros,

Forest Dwarves: dwarves who build their homes in and around the trees, rangers... Riding boars and huge snakes

Nightbound Legions: an army of vampires, fallen angels, summoned deamons...

Catmen: speaks for itself, living in mangrove vegetation, up in the trees ( good climbers)

The Five Realms: five united nations of men, each with it's own speciality

The Grasland Crusaders: men living on vast plains, riding steeds, buffalo's, using the longbow

The Corsairs: men from all around the world, having the unique power of gunpowder

Giants: hurling rocks, living in caves and builing walls of massive rocks


I hope there is some attention for it, because I always love a good fantasy mod.



Any comments are welcome!!!

[The Holy Pilgrim]

That sound cool and unique. I hope someone does make that mod.

[oelewapper]

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/3892/kaartmod.jpg

this is just a version of the map I made with paint, because I originally drew it on paper.
Just to give a quick view on the map

[The Holy Pilgrim]

Looks good! Kind of small though.

[oelewapper]

hm, but the mountains are bigger than I drew them, it's just to give an example. There should be very long moutain ranges.

[oelewapper]

lightest green: Jungle elves
darker green: forest dwarves
darkest green: grassland crusaders
red: the five realms
brown: desert elves
pink: pirates
orange: coast dwarves
purple: catmen
grey :giants
blue: snow elves

[oelewapper]

nightbound legions should be emergent factions

[Nakharar]

i like the idea but not original enough, Dwarves, Elves , Mountain Crusades and Lowland Trolls or Giants heard it all before what about a new original idea like the Curse of the Warpstorm...

[oelewapper]

i like the idea but not original enough, Dwarves, Elves , Mountain Crusades and Lowland Trolls or Giants heard it all before what about a new original idea like the Curse of the Warpstorm...

I think factions like Grassland Crusaders, consisting of Minotaurs, many ranger units etc. are not likely to be found on many forums, as far as I searched them, neither are the Snow Elves, or Forest Dwarves. You haven't seen unit rosters yet, but still you already think it's not original. Curse of the Warpstorm uses for example a skeleton faction, which I think is used more than factions like Catmen. Not that I do not like CotW, but this one isn't about guns and technology. I will post the faction rosters asap, but right now I'm in the middle of my exams, so it will not be before the 22nd.

[The Holy Pilgrim]

To be honest, I thought the Forest Dwarves were very unique. But there are quite a lot of Elves and Dwarves

[weissnicht]

looks good.
Wait for the first Preview

[oelewapper]

looks good.
Wait for the first Preview

thx, but for a preview I need modders

[Dewy]

hmmm doesn't a dwarf live under ground, why not give your own name to it and make it unique

[Bwian]

Stereotyping is the curse of any fantasy mod. You just have to live with it and be original about the implementation of it. If your 'Forest Dwarves' are short-in the leg, big bearded and carrying axes ...then you are not original.

If, however, you make your Forest Dwarves far less long-bearded, stiff short and axe wielding... then you take a step forward. Why would you want a beard to get snagged up in the undergrowth etc. You can migrate a Dwarf into a forext...but should consider how they would live, what they would do...and get something different.

Ultimately, everyone nowadays falls back on the Tolkein view of Dwarves, which pretty much influenced the current fantasy view on a Dwarf.

You will have to accept some degree of unoriginality as soon as youbring in aDwarf or an Elf, or you need to find unique names for your races. 'Wood Hewers', perhaps instead of Forest Dwarf. Small in stature to move between the thick trunks, strong in the arm andfavouring a big axe like any farmer of the forest would be. Able to call upon the forest spirits to defend their tree-house homes. Just don't use the 'D' word!!!!

Catmen, though, are not at all original either. Just not as main-stream. No reason why they wouldn't make a good faction though.

You will also fall into the usual problem with your demons and vampires faction. Been there, done that.

Overall, I thin kthe discussion of whether this mod is 'original' or not is missing hte point. If the factions are well thought out, well implemented and nice looking, it iwll be a good mod. Originality is over-rated! I think the biggest concern for hte mod would be getting the people to build some of the more ambitous content.

Albatross riders, giant snakes, Griffons, Wooly Rhino, reptiles etc. are all possible ( with limitations ) but not easy to do.

[oelewapper]

Stereotyping is the curse of any fantasy mod. You just have to live with it and be original about the implementation of it. If your 'Forest Dwarves' are short-in the leg, big bearded and carrying axes ...then you are not original.

If, however, you make your Forest Dwarves far less long-bearded, stiff short and axe wielding... then you take a step forward. Why would you want a beard to get snagged up in the undergrowth etc. You can migrate a Dwarf into a forext...but should consider how they would live, what they would do...and get something different.

Ultimately, everyone nowadays falls back on the Tolkein view of Dwarves, which pretty much influenced the current fantasy view on a Dwarf.

You will have to accept some degree of unoriginality as soon as youbring in aDwarf or an Elf, or you need to find unique names for your races. 'Wood Hewers', perhaps instead of Forest Dwarf. Small in stature to move between the thick trunks, strong in the arm andfavouring a big axe like any farmer of the forest would be. Able to call upon the forest spirits to defend their tree-house homes. Just don't use the 'D' word!!!!

Catmen, though, are not at all original either. Just not as main-stream. No reason why they wouldn't make a good faction though.

You will also fall into the usual problem with your demons and vampires faction. Been there, done that.

Overall, I thin kthe discussion of whether this mod is 'original' or not is missing hte point. If the factions are well thought out, well implemented and nice looking, it iwll be a good mod. Originality is over-rated! I think the biggest concern for hte mod would be getting the people to build some of the more ambitous content.

Albatross riders, giant snakes, Griffons, Wooly Rhino, reptiles etc. are all possible ( with limitations ) but not easy to do.

yeah, you're right about the dwarves. But it's been a couple of years since I made it up, so it's a bit normal that I used Tolkien's image. And of course you're right that it will be difficult to make the models for the animals and such, I guess I'll have to cancel some of the ideas . It 's a pity I can't do it myself. Thx for paying attention to this little thing

[Nakharar]

yep Bwians right you cant just think they lived there you have to think why why would they live in the forest and because they live in the forest they had eg swords instead of axes or were thin or whatever tahts what Bwians done in his mod thinking of the society too

[oelewapper]

Alright, finally: the unit rosters!

The Five Realms:

Good allround, lacks beasts and monsters

Infantery
Pikemen
Swordsmen
Phalanx
Halberdiers
Pellenian Guard
Twohanders
Mages
Shades

Ranged
Slingers
Crossbows
Crossbow Cavalry

Cavalry
Knights
Lancers
Protectors

Nightbound Legions:

Very strong infantery, lacks cavalry and ranged units. expensive units

Infantery
Vampire Dismounted Knights Spearmen
Vampire Swordmasters
Halberds
Bloodpriests
Faces of Death
Fallen Angels

Ranged
Longbows
Javelins

Cavalry
Vampire Knights
Blooddog Riders

Beasts
Dark Minotaurs
Sweepers

Mountain Dwellers (snow elves):

Small unit roster, but powerful allround

Infantery
Spearmen
Swordsmen
Iceswords
Axemen
Warrior Priests

Ranged
Longbows
Watchers

Cavalry
Snowhorn Riders
Snow Centaurs
Beasts
Mountain Lions (like wardogs)

Grassland Crusaders:

Very good ranged units (mounted and dismounted) and cavalry, lacks good heavy infantery

Infantery
Swordsmen
Spearmen
Assassins
Conjurers
Ranger Elites

Ranged
Rangers
Townfolk

Cavalry
Hyenadon Riders
Mounted Rangers
Centaurs
Lancers

Beasts
Minotaurs

Desert Elves:

Very good ranged and mounted units, lacks infantery

Infantery
Snake Warriors
Desert Spearmen
Shamans
Desert Dwellers
Ranged
Javelins
Slingers
Longbows
Marines

Cavalry
Ostrich Riders
Camel Fighters
Camel Archers
Camel Chariot

Beasts
Snake Swarm
Giant Lizards

Jungle Elves:

Very powerful monsters and infantery,mediocre ranged units, lacks cavalry

Infantery
Jungle Soldier
Warblades
Pirates
Sacrificers
Jaguar Warriors

Ranged
Pathwatchers
Blowpipes
Shortbows

Cavalry
Elephant Squad
Tiger Riders

Beasts
Gorillas
Trolls
Spiders

Corsairs:

Only gunpowder units in the world, completely lacks cavalry and monsters

Infantery
Slaves
Corsairs
Far Eastern Mercenaries
Gladiators
Captains Bodyguard

Ranged
Handgunners
Javelins
Bombards
Cannons

Shore Scourers:

Very strong infantery and ranged units, lacks cavalry

Infantery
Spearmen
Trident Masters
Swordsmen
Sharkslayers

Ranged
Harpooners
Slingers
Crossbows

Cavalry
Beach Hopper Cavalry

Beasts
Trolls

Brushwood Grovellers:

Strong allround, cavalry slightly weaker

Infantery
Axemen
Two Handed Axemen
Hammerers
Axe Throwers
Spearmen

Ranged
Watchers
Shortbows

Cavalry
Boar Riders
Boar Archers
Boar Chariot

Beasts
Minotaurs
Dryads
Talons

Giants(if possible):

Extremely strong infantery, lacks cavalry and ranged units

Infantery
Two Handed Swords
Two Handed Axes
Mace Warriors
Flagellants

Ranged
Rock Hurlers

Beasts
Wolf Pack
Bear Pack

Catmen:

Very fast and strong infantery, lacks cavalry

Infantery
Black Panther Spearmen
Puma Axemen
Tiger Halberdiers
Jaguar Two Handers
Lynx Assassins
Lion Shamans

Ranged
Cheetah Archers
Cheetah Slingers

Beasts
Sabretooth Pack
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I hope you like it, all coments are welcome, but keep it kind
I filtered the "impossible" units, like dragons and so one, but I know some difficult units remain.
I found that a fantasy mod needed at least some monsters

[oelewapper]

replies? anyone? :p or at least tell me what I could do more to get this little thing of the ground

[Augustus Lucifer]

replies? anyone? :p or at least tell me what I could do more to get this little thing of the ground

The only way to get a mod off the ground is to take it into your own hands and learn to mod. It'd make sense for someone to say "I don't know C++ so can't mod X game", but Total War is written in a human-readable, non-programming series of files that are rather well-documented with tutorials. The only impediment to learning how to mod is not desiring to, and ultimately if the person who has the idea doesn't want to learn to mod, it probably isn't an idea worth getting behind. Tough love, but the truth no less.

[oelewapper]

unfortunately, I don't have the time to learn it, although I'd love to.