BNP - Deep roots in Fascism

[bigfootedfred]

An expose on the deep roots in Nazi ideology of the BNP.

The dark history of the BNP that Nick Griffin would rather you didnt know.

Background - Deep roots in fascism

video link (45 minutes)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/cta/pr...p_hi_25nov.ram

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Pre-1919
Organised British fascism is rooted in the mix of social Darwinism, eugenics and Scientific racism that were prevalent around the First World War. This revealed itself through various patriotic and racist groups that were formed, such as the British Brother League (BBL).
The BBL claimed that Jewish immigrants competed with British workers by accepting lower wages and were responsible for overcrowding and the creation of slums in the cities.


1919-1930
The first active fascists appeared after World War One. The most notable of these was the British Fascists (BF) founded in 1923 by Rotha Lintorn-Orman and her mother.
Its ideas of imperial unity were complemented with organised military ranks. Some of its divisions were trained in jujitsu and unarmed combat. Ideological differences caused the group to splinter and finally wind up.


1931-1933
In the early 30's a central personality was emerging from British Fascism, Sir Oswald Mosley. Mosley left the Labour Party and in 1931 formed the 'New Party.' The party supported a gang of thugs, "Mosley's Biff Boys".
The New Party's successor, the British Union of Fascists (BUF) was an attempt to unify all British fascist groups. The previous decades military style had been inherited and included a 'Blackshirt' uniform.


1934-1935
Hitler's rise to power created an anti-fascist movement in Britain. This was despite some advantageous publicity from Lord Rothermere, who's Daily Mail headline proclaimed "Hurrah for the Blackshirts" in January 1934.
British Fascism became unpopular and membership numbers fell. This was exacerbated by the withdrawal of financial backing from Mussolini, which had been received for the previous two years.


1936-1940
A greatly reduced BUF embarked on smaller localised campaigns concentrating on areas like Lancashire's textile towns and the East end of London.
The East end was the setting for The Battle of Cable Street on the 4th October 1936. Anti-fascist protestors numbering 250,000 faced 7000 BUF members in the streets of the biggest immigrant population in the country. The BUF were forced to call off the march.
Links between the Nazi Party and the anti-Semitic BUF were suspected. Hitler attended Mosley's second marriage. It seems likely that the BUF received German funding but even so the party closed down in 1940 following a number of arrests.

1940 - 1949
Members of the British Union of Fascists were divided over the war. Some put patriotism before ideology and joined the war effort against Hitler. Others remained committed to their ideas. Several of these, including BUF leader Oswald Mosley, were interned under Defence Regulation 18b.
The war saw millions of people, principally Jews, murdered in the Nazi concentration camps in a programme known as The Final Solution.
The memory of the Holocaust damaged the political fortunes of post-war nazis. To overcome this it became important for future far right leaders, such as John Tyndall and Nick Griffin, to argue to their supporters that it never happened.
After 1945 there was a revival in fascist thought and a wave of violence broke out aimed at the Jewish community. Many fascist parties encouraged these attacks and riots.
Mosley began to consider the potential of media propaganda and published various material including "Mosley's Newsletter". The largest fascist party was the British League of Ex-Servicemen and Women, which held weekly meetings.
Mosley announced in November 1947 that he would form a new political party, the Union Movement. But the following year he left England for Ireland as the new party was not going as planned.


1950 - 1958
Power shifted from Mosley to the "League of Empire Loyalists" (LEL). The political face of this party hid the violent background of some of its leaders. Among them was John Tyndall and for him the LEL was a step towards a new purified fascist ideology. The riots of 1958, often call the Notting Hill Riots, saw the public emergence of the two active groups in the area, "The White Defence League" (WDL) and the " National Labour Party" (NLP.)
The situation was aggravated by the murder of Kelso Cochrane, a young black worker. Despite the fact that fascists openly boasted of the murder, no-one was arrested.



1959 - 1962
The White Defence League and National Labour Party united to form the British National Party (BNP). The party, not to be confused with the modern day BNP, was a neo-Fascist party active between 1959 and 1962. Andrew Fountaine, Colin Jordan and John Edward Bean were elected President, National Organiser and Deputy. They were the former leaders of the newly merged parties.
The BNP was opposed to democracy, "decisions by head-counting", and wished to see it replaced by a "Racial Nationalist Folk-State" which concentrated on National Socialism and had been implemented by Adolf Hitler.
Propaganda expanded to include other immigrant populations including the Blacks, Cypriot, Maltese and Irish. It was necessary to repatriate all coloured immigrants and send all Jews either to Israel or, when it was full, Madagascar. This would prevent Britain "degenerating into a mongrel race."
The BNP attracted as many as 200 recruits.
Jordan's obsession with military-style training began to worry Bean and Fountaine who tried to oust him. They left, taking the organisation's name, its journal Combat and most of its members.
On 20 April 1962, the anniversary of Hitler's birthday, Jordan launched the National Socialist Movement with John Tyndall as National Organiser.
In 1962 Jordan and Tyndall were sent to prison for organising a paramilitary group.

1963 - 1969

The National Front (NF) was founded in 1967 as a merger between activists and groups from several strands of neo-Fascist, Nazism and extreme Right activity. Tyndall's Greater British Movement later joined them. Throughout its existence the NF represented an uneasy alliance between Hitler devotees, traditionalists and ex-Mosley supporters and misguided patriots. Its first Chairman was A.K. Chesterton.

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1970 - 1978
The NF unsuccessfully contested 10 seats in the 1970 General Election. Over this period, John Tyndall and Martin Webster gradually dominated the party. In 1972 Tyndall became the NF Chairman. Under Tyndall, the NF achieved its best result in the Bromsgrove by-election, where it attracted 16 per cent of the vote.
However, former Chairman of the NF, John O'Brien, denounced Tyndall on television as a Nazi. In October 1974, John Kingsley Read replaced Tyndall as Chairman. He had once been Chairman of Blackburn Young Conservatives.
Kingsley Read and his supporters left the NF to form the National Party in1976, leaving the party chairmanship in Tyndall's hands. Anthony Reed-Herbert, another prominent member, left to form the British Democratic Party (BDP).
The mid-seventies saw a rapid rise for the NF. Membership grew to 17,000 and the party gained substantial votes in local elections.

1979 onwards

1979 - 1983

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NF Vice Chairman Andrew Fountaine suspended Webster's membership. On returning from the United States Tyndall reversed the decision, reinstating Webster and instead suspending Fountaine. However, the friction between Tyndall and Webster was apparent to many, both inside and outside of the party.
In February 1979, Webster complained in an article in Spearhead that the NF lacked a fully developed ideology. Tyndall responded in the May 1979 edition.
He said, "Do we need an ideology? Of course we do and we already have it! It is a simple and straightforward ideology rooted in a very basic view of life and of history. It is an ideology which sees the world as an arena of competing nations and races and which impels us to ensure that in this arena our nation and race is a winner and not a loser."

The 1979 General Election was a severe set-back for the NF. The average vote of its candidates dropping to 1.3 per cent compared to 3.1 per cent in October 1974. NF support was undermined by resurgence of the Conservative Party under Thatcher. NF leaders complained that she had "stolen their clothes"." Tyndall resigned from the NF in January 1980 after an argument with Webster. Tyndall formed the New National Front.

Another NF faction, led by Paul Kavanagh, Andrew Fountaine and Richard Franklin, became the short-lived NF Constitutional Movement. This later became the Constitutionalist Movement, and then the Nationalist Party.

Andrew Brons succeeded Tyndall as Chairman of the NF in January 1980. With Martin Webster remaining in the influential position of National Activities Organiser, the NF's policies gradually became more extreme as he exerted his influence.

Over the next four year the NF lacked any sense of direction. Whilst it presented candidates in elections and organised demonstrations, it attracted little support.
Tyndall had taken Spearhead with him and so Nationalism Today was launched as the NF's theoretical journal.

In April 1982, the New National Front became the modern British National Party (BNP). It was now the largest group on the extreme Right with John Tyndall as its leader.
The BNP was and still is strongest in the East and South East of London and parts of Lancashire.

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Tyndall's deputies were Richard Edmonds and John Morse (a newspaper editor).
During the early 1980s the BNP worked hard to build a secure financial and membership base. The BNP contested 53 seats in the 1983 General Election but attracted a negligible vote.

Within the NF there was a feeling that Webster was to blame for many of its problems and that he should be removed.

Joe Pearce and Nick Griffin resigned from the NF Directorate. They claimed "the NF is a desperately sick organisation. Morale is at an all time low. Membership figures have risen slightly as a result of the general election, but overall it has fallen so much that we are now back to the levels of the start of the 1970s".
Their resignation letter precipitated much intense debate with the party over the validity of its criticism. In December 1983, Webster and his ally Michael Salt were ousted from the NF.

1984 - 1991

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During 1984-85, the NF sought to capitalise on various other campaigns in the country. The Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) was at its height and the NF used the anti-American sentiments it provoked. They organised an all-night vigil outside RAF Lakenheath in Suffolk to oppose the presence of US military personnel in Britain.

By supporting animal welfare, the NF were able to target Jews and Muslims by claiming that it was opposed to the ritual slaughter of animals.
Nationalism Today announced, "All the Jews have to do is stop this barbaric and torturous murder of defenceless animals. When they cease the slaughter the NF will cease its campaign. Until then the NF campaign for animal welfare will continue."

At its annual general meeting, the NF passed a resolution that called upon all nationalists to support such campaigns and show a NF with a consistent ideology.
It also formed 'instant response groups' which could react to political events with little notice. This was part of a general shift from traditional protest to political campaigns.

In 1988 NF leaders Nick Griffin, Patrick Harrington and Derek Holland went to Tripoli courtesy of the Libyan regime in the hope of securing funding. Unfortunately all they got was 5,000 copies of Colonel Gadaffi's Green Book.
However, the NF continued to attract little support.

The British National Party succeeded in exploiting the National Front's gradual collapse.
In October 1990, The British National Party was described by the European Parliament's committee on racism and xenophobia as an "openly Nazi party... whose leadership have serious criminal convictions".

Asked whether this was accurate, Edmonds replied that people such as German stormtroopers were "fine, brave men who fought the whole world for five years".
When asked if the BNP was racist, Edmonds said, "We are 100 per cent racist, yes".

The BNP party conference in October 1991 attracted 450 participants, which reflected its success in gaining further members from the NF.

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In 1991 Nick Griffin and a number of other NF leaders left the NF to form the International Third Position, a small but fanatical fascist group. One of the figures behind the ITP was Roberto Fiore, an Italian fascist who fled to London with up to forty others to escape police capture. Fiore was later convicted in absentia. Some of Fiore's associates were behind the Bologna station bombing in 1980 that killed 80 people.

1992 - 1993

The BNP announced that it would contest 14 seats in the General Election although only 13 stood including John Tyndall and Lady Jane Birdwood. In early 1992, the BNP formed Combat 18 as a stewarding group to protect its events. Combat 18, taking its name from the first and eighth letter of the alphabet - AH - for Adolph Hitler, attracted the most violent supporters of Britain's far right.

Its leaders include Paul David 'Charlie' Sargent, a man with convictions for drug running and Eddie Whicker, a former National Front parliamentary candidate and a leading activist with London UDA.
The targets of attacks by Combat 18 included the offices of the Morning Star in April 1992 and the Democratic Left offices in Birmingham in August 1992.

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Zoë Heller interviewed The BNP's chairman, John Tyndall, in August 1992 for an article in the Independent on Sunday.
She said, &quotThe BNP was certainly the ugliest organisation I had come across in my search for an authentic Nazi menace. In spite of everything, though, it still seemed less frightening than ludicrous.... But to see [Tyndall] travel three-and-a-half hours up the motorway in order to lead 250 men around a deserted Walsall industrial estate, with only a heavy contingent of police and a few curious children on bikes as his audience, is to understand the pathetic truth of the man&quot.

By the end of 1992, the BNP had grown to around 2,000 members organised in to more that 50 branches.
BNP member Barry Osborne attracted 657 votes, 20% of votes cast in a by-election in the Millwall ward of Tower Hamlets, the most successful result to date.

Four 'activists' were jailed in July 1993 for an attack on staff from an Indian restaurant in Buntingford, Hertfordshire. Two of the four were BNP members. The other two both admitted to regularly attending BNP gigs and rallies.
The head of the Football Unit of the National Criminal Intelligence Service (NCIS), Superintendent Adrian Appleby, claimed that the BNP had targeted several football clubs.
He identified Heart of Midlothian, Chelsea, Glasgow Rangers, Blackburn, Burnley and Oxford United. Many members of the Chelsea Headhunters and the Portsmouth-based 657 Crew were apparently BNP supporters.

The BNP achieved victory in a local by-election in September 1993. Derek Beackon became councillor for the Millwall ward of Tower Hamlets.
He attracted 33.9 per cent of the vote, a swing of 11 per cent to the BNP since a similar council by-election in Millwall in October 1992.

On 19 September 1993 police used riot shields and horses to break up fights between BNP and anti-Fascist activists who had met in the East End. Twenty-seven activists were arrested. A subsequent council meeting was postponed because violence was feared.

A split occurred between Combat 18 and the British National Party. BNP leader John Tyndall, who had previously relied upon C18 for providing physical back-up for the BNP's activities, claimed that it had become hostile to the BNP.

In particular, Tyndall was irritated that C18's magazine The Order had questioned his ability to lead the party. BNP members were told that no members could simultaneously be members of Combat 18. In response dozens of BNP members left to join C18.

1994 - 1995

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C18 published a glossy magazine, Combat 18, which suggested that all non-whites should "be shipped back to Africa, Asia, Arabia, alive or in body bags". Its members were urged to "execute" homosexuals and "white race mixers" and "weed out Jews in government, the media, arts and professions".
Two senior BNP members, Tony Lecomber and Eddie Butler were attacked by C18 supporters. A letter bomb was then sent to the BNP's headquarters. Another two attacks followed on BNP members.
The London May elections in 1994 saw the BNP unable to retain the council seat it had won in Millwall in September 1993. Although Derek Beackon's vote went up, a large turnout saw the Labour candidate take the ward.

However, the BNP achieved its best local election results ever. In neighbouring Newham the BNP polled 34% in one ward.
A month later party leader John Tyndall polled 9% in a by-election in Dagenham, East London. Tyndall won almost as many votes as the Liberal Democrat. This was the first time that the party had saved its deposit in a Parliamentary election.

In May 1994 Southwark Crown Court was told that a black man was hit in the face with a glass in a racial attack involving the BNP's national organiser Richard Edmonds three days after Beackon's election victory in September 1993.

Edmonds was given a six-month prison sentence but he walked free from Southwark Crown Court because he had already spent three months in custody awaiting trial. Edmonds' co-defendant, Stephen O'Shea, another BNP member, received 12 months.

Combat 18's Charlie Sargent was interviewed in February 1995. He said, "I believe in Adolf Hitler and his solutions. There is bound to be a racial war in Europe - it is only a matter of time and we in Britain are the front-runners when it comes to fanatical Fascism. The rest of Europe, particularly the Germans, look up to C18. We will soon be ready for the big racial conflict. There has never been more support for Fascism in Britain than now. Ours is the natural politics of the British working man, who has been let down by political failures of the last three decades. My view is that all blacks should be killed."

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Nick Griffin returned to public activism after several years operating behind the scenes. Through his connection to former ITP activists now in Croydon and Leeds BNP, Griffin began speaking at meetings around the country. However Tyndall refused his application to join claiming that Griffin had to prove his loyalty to the party.

Nick Griffin was finally allowed to join the BNP later in the year. Within months of joining, Griffin was editing the party magazine Spearhead. He also became editor of The Rune, an anti-Semitic BNP magazine.

Homes belonging to C18 members in London and Essex were raided by police officers in 1995. They seized copies of its publications, documents and CDs.
Afterwards an unidentified Special Branch officer said that they were "pleased with the success of this operation and are confident we have made a major dent in the distribution network for these magazines and discs".

The BNP failed to make any headway in the local elections. With its membership down to about 800, it only managed to field ten candidates.
John Gummer, the Secretary of State for the Environment, accepted a planning inspector's report that the BNP's use of a building in Welling as its headquarters was "unacceptable on grounds of public amenity".

He said the BNP must cease using it as a main office and mail order business within three months and remove "fortification" of the building in six.
BNP spokesman Michael Newland said that the order to remove the shutters was a political decision. The Government is saying: 'If we don't like your political opinions, then we will force you into a position where lawless mobs can attack your premises'".

1996 - 1997

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Combat 18, which had began as the BNP's stewarding group, was now in all-out confrontation with the BNP. Openly nazi, Combat 18 condemned the BNP's strategy of standing in elections. In late 1996 Charlie Sargent said, "If we stand for election, we'll get eliminated. The loyalist paramilitaries or Sinn Fein when they stand for election, they're humiliated basically, but as a paramilitary group they get respect. That's how we've got to go." In January 1997 three C18 supporters in Denmark were arrested for sending letter bombs to three addresses in Britain. The group imploded soon after as an internal feud left one man dead and Sargent sentenced to life imprisonment.

The 1997 BNP manifesto had a two strand policy of immigration. They were the halt of future non-white immigration and the repatriation or relocation of non-whites living in Britain. It claimed that this would succeed in 'returning' the country to its white status.
BNP Candidates in the 1997 General Election have nominal success. Three deposits were saved, two in East London and one in West Yorkshire, but elsewhere its vote was negligible.
Although Griffin had joined the BNP, he accepted that the National Front had a more recognisable name. During discussions with leaders of the NF, Griffin was keen for a merger. This came to nothing as his plans were seen as beneficial only to the BNP leadership.



1998 - 2000

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In the 1998 local elections the BNP contested 34 seats. Its best result was in Newham where Peter Hart won 11.31 per cent of the vote. Its vote in East London was considerably less than what the party achieved in the previous London elections in 1994. Searchlight, the long established anti-fascist organisation suggested that this failure was due to "a vastly different political situation compared to the early 1990s and... the party's lack of organisational ability".

By the end of 1999 the BNP membership had risen 2,000 of which 400 were active. The West Midlands becomes increasingly important, with local organiser Steve Edwards polling 17% in the Tipton Green ward in Sandwell. Across the region the BNP averaged 7.65% in the seats it contested.
The BNP polled 100,000 votes in the June 1999 European Elections, the first national British election contested under proportional representation.

Under Griffin's guidance, the BNP began receiving considerable press coverage for its countryside and farming campaign. Though only a handful of people ever joined the party as a result, the media interest helped create the impression that the BNP was a party concerned with more than just race and immigration.

However, there was no evidence that the core BNP beliefs were changing. In 1998 Griffin was convicted for distributing material likely to incite racial hatred and given a nine month sentence suspended for two years. During his defence he attacked those who criticised him for denying the Holocaust. "I am well aware that the orthodox opinion is that 6 million Jews were gassed and cremated and turned into lampshades. Orthodox opinion also once held that the world is flat... I have reached the conclusion that the 'extermination' tale is a mixture of Allied wartime propaganda, extremely profitable lie, and latter witch-hysteria."

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Griffin had been building a power base in the party for some time. In September 1999, he challenged Tyndall for the party leadership and won.
In 2000, the BNP polled 47,000 votes in the London Assembly Elections, taking 11% across the East London constituency. The party polled even better locally. In Tipton Green Edwards gained 23% while in a council by-election in the North End ward in Bexley Colin Smith received 27%.

The BNP advance was derailed with an internal clash which saw Deputy Chairman Sharron Edwards, Party Treasurer Michael Newlands and West Midlands Organiser Steve Edwards all leave in disgust amid allegations of financial irregularities within the BNP.

2001

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The 2001 BNP manifesto changed the party's immigration policy. It altered from total repatriation to voluntary repatriation with financial backing. However, the BNP made it clear that housing and jobs would be prioritised for native white Britons.

On 26 May, violence erupted in Oldham. Hundreds of Asian youths clashed with police during a night of rioting, which the police described as "sheer carnage."
The Asian youths were reacting to white youths who had ran through an Asian street attacking people and property.

Ten days after the first race riots in Britain for 30 years, the BNP secured its best ever election performance in the General Election.
It fielded 33 candidates (32 in England and 1 in Wales) and gained 47,129 votes overall (an average share of 3.9% per constituency, a threefold increase on its 1997 results). However, the party saved its deposit (by achieving 5% or more of the total votes cast) in five constituencies.
BNP leader Nick Griffin gained 16% of the vote in Oldham West and Royton. In neighbouring Oldham East and Saddleworth, local BNP organiser Mick Treacy polled 11%.

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Fearing a further escalation in tensions, all candidates were banned from speaking at the election count. Griffin and Treacy stood on the platform gagged, in a silent protest against the ban.
Following further clashes in June an 8ft-high fence was erected in Oldham to divide Asians and whites. It's the first time a physical barrier has been used in modern Britain to separate ethnic groups.
It followed complaints from residents of one mainly Asian street that white youths were stoning their cars and homes before escaping back to their own area down the narrow cut-through.
In Burnley, in June, a weekend of violence climaxed with more than 200 youths attacking shops, homes and vehicles.

In early July there was a weekend of rioting in Bradford - the worst in Britain in 20 years.
More than two hundred police officers were injured in three nights of clashes. Properties were firebombed, businesses looted and vehicles set alight. The destruction is estimated to have caused 25 million pounds of damage.

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Griffin knows very well, the core BNP values are simply not an electable platform, st a private meeting in texas with KKK members, Nick griffin outlines his plans to 'sell' more palatable versions of their ideas, in order to achive power, once power was achived their true intentions would then be enacted.

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"There's a difference between selling out your ideas and selling your ideas. And the British National Party isn't about selling out its ideas, which are your* ideas too. But we are determined now to sell them.

"And that means, basically, to use the saleable words, as I say - freedom, security, identity, democracy. Nobody can criticize them. Nobody can come at you and attack you on those ideas. They are saleable.

"Perhaps one day, once by being rather more subtle, we've got ourselves into a position where we control the British broadcasting media.

"Then perhaps one day the British people might change their minds, and say: Yes, every last one must go!

"Perhaps they will one day. But if you hold that out as your sole aim to start with, you're gonna get absolutely nowhere.

"So, instead of talking about 'racial purity', we talk about 'identity'."

- Nick Griffin addressing the American Friends of the BNP at a meeting hosted by ex-KKK leader, David Duke

[HorseArcher]

Bigfootred, do you live in the UK?

[Hippolord]

Very intresting...

One question:
What's wrong with Fascism? (Hitler aside, i mean like really: Whats Wrong with Fascism? Not the people who follow it, and change it in horrible ways.)

[Barry Goldwater]

From rotten roots sprouts a rotten tree.

[ivan_the_terrible]

One question:
What's wrong with Fascism? (Hitler aside, i mean like really: Whats Wrong with Fascism? Not the people who follow it, and change it in horrible ways.)

It's inherently violent and confrontational, because conflict is a central theme. The ideology holds that the nation state should seek to dominate the weak by force, that might is right, that some kinds of people are inherently superior to others, etc.

Basically it glorifies and aspires to conflict and domination, and that makes it dangerous (not to mention unpleasant and distasteful).

The 'twisting in horrible ways', as you put it, isn't really necessary. Unabridged Fascism has plenty of that anyway.

[nce_wht_guy]

Very intresting...

One question:
What's wrong with Fascism? (Hitler aside, i mean like really: Whats Wrong with Fascism? Not the people who follow it, and change it in horrible ways.)

Hitler didn't change Fascism, he defined it. And that is what is so wrong with it.

[Oswald von Wolkenstein]

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[Alkarin]

Very intresting...

One question:
What's wrong with Fascism? (Hitler aside, i mean like really: Whats Wrong with Fascism? Not the people who follow it, and change it in horrible ways.)

just because its efficient doesn't mean its morally correct. Fascist ideology is based off of 'we are better than you and you must suffer for our good' its all about devoting yourself to the state and it promotes nationalism, violence and heavy racism. The thing is those people aren't really corrupting the idea of fascism, That really is fascism. Unlike communism where people do infact corrupt the actual doctrine that was written up by Karl Marx. In Fascism they use violence and racism as scapegoats for violence and hate. And that is whats wrong with it.

Nationalism is not right wing.

Tis debatable?

[bigfootedfred]

Bigfootred, do you live in the UK?

yes i do.

[HorseArcher]

yes i do.

Don't you think, that the people are voting out of desperation for BNP, and not because they are fascists? Perhaps they are sick and tired of the current parties running besides BNP, because they have not addressed the current issues or possibly made it worse?

[bigfootedfred]

Don't you think, that the people are voting out of desperation for BNP, and not because they are fascists? Perhaps they are sick and tired of the current parties running besides BNP, because they have not addressed the current issues or possibly made it worse?

i would hope a large portion of their vote is for that reason. but i know for a fact there are a fair few racists and indeed yes, facists in this country.

You are bang on about not addressing the current issues. Constantly, Griffin does indeed talk about things that matter to alot of people, including myself, but its all a front, a ruse, a scam. The 'image' the BNP projects and their intentions are two very different things and once you look into their roots and history of their members, you realise exactly what they are all about. they will use issues not because they care about them but because it serves their purposes.
And while many may tell us we shouldnt worry to much about them, the fact is their vote has been rising, they got nearly 1 million votes nationwide. Part of it is probably down to politicains who yell that people 'must not vote bnp', turning it into the ultimate protest vote.
My worst fear is what the BNP has 'under the hood' so to speak, i highly doubt they have given up on all their illegal and paramillitary activites, despite the 'break' with groups like combat 18.

[HorseArcher]

i would hope a large portion of their vote is for that reason. but i know for a fact there are a fair few racists and indeed yes, facists in this country.

You are bang on about not addressing the current issues. Constantly, Griffin does indeed talk about things that matter to alot of people, including myself, but its all a front, a ruse, a scam. The 'image' the BNP projects and their intentions are two very different things and once you look into their roots and history of their members, you realise exactly what they are all about. they will use issues not because they care about them but because it serves their purposes.
And while many may tell us we shouldnt worry to much about them, the fact is their vote has been rising, they got nearly 1 million votes nationwide. Part of it is probably down to politicains who yell that people 'must not vote bnp', turning it into the ultimate protest vote.
My worst fear is what the BNP has 'under the hood' so to speak, i highly doubt they have given up on all their illegal and paramillitary activites, despite the 'break' with groups like combat 18.

Well, then, I see 2 failures which envoked the rise of BNP.


1. The current administration did not address head-on the issues as they should have.
2. There is real alternative party to vote for. The people lost their trust in the old ones, and there is no newer party with fresh faces and ideas.

So if the problem is that the BNP has risen could be contributed to both, the failure of the other parties and the failure of the people to come up with a new moderate party, which isn't so radical like the BNP.


If you want to add some conspiracy to it (my observation), many of the liberal and left parties almost acted suicidal in the past few years, this also includes other countries, with the rise of radical-right wings.

[Syron]

I do love how you contradict your entire argument by pointing out the NF was a "big tent" alliance of many different groups.

Hence you trying to lump Griffin in with the fascists is clearly nonsense.



Oh, and blaming "white youths" in places like Oldham Rochdale and Bradford is rich, have you ever been to these places? I have. Places where official statistics show that most racist crimes are actually committed by Asians, despite still being a minority........



p.s

A small point, the ITP were not fascist as the name implies!

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

BNP this, BNP that. I take they have been faring well in the election, eh?

[S.L.I.G]

Do we really need like six threads on an insignificant party in an insignificant country [sorry brits]? No, we do not.

[Каие]

Do we really need like six threads on an insignificant party in an insignificant country [sorry brits]? No, we do not.

Tell me about it. The media has been all over them day and night, when they got less than 6% of the vote on a 30% turnout meaning if this was repeated at a general election they would get about 1.5% of the vote. Even that was only because of temporary protest votes and the failure of Labour voters to get out and back their party.

Yet UKIP who historically came second above the Labour and Liberal Party's was almost completely ignored. The Tories won in Wales for the first time in history. Previously Labour had won Wales every time since 1918, and the Liberal for hundreds of years before that. Ignored.

The BBC aired BOTH Griffin's and Bron's speeches but ignored every other parties speeches, even UKIP and the Tories and Labour. Talk about obsession. Then they keep labelling them as far right! Despite Griffin in his speech clearly talking out against privatisation and wanting a return to nationalisation. And his own admission on radio that they encompass the traditional working man's politics.

D'oh.

[Gladstone]

Then they keep labelling them as far right! Despite Griffin in his speech clearly talking out against privatisation and wanting a return to nationalisation. And his own admission on radio that they encompass the traditional working man's politics.

D'oh.

right and left wing compass does not work.

The bnp on an economic level follow traditional left wing policies like nationalising private business's while at the same time use far right rhetoric on social matters, like immigration and nationalism.

So if you were to place the bnp on a left to right compass based on there social & economic policies they would most certainly be closer to the centre.

[S.L.I.G]

maybe people should be attributing the rise of the bnp to people agreeing with their policies? 55% of British in a poll agreed with major bnp positions. Maybe the other british parties should wise up and make some concession to avert fascists rising to power, rather than laughing and saying the BNP, and therefore the people who vote for them, have no place in politics. The reality is their opinon is relevant, and it has a place. As long as it is ignored, and the problems worsen, the bnp will grow.

[Каие]

maybe people should be attributing the rise of the bnp to people agreeing with their policies? 55% of British in a poll agreed with major bnp positions. Maybe the other british parties should wise up and make some concession to avert fascists rising to power, rather than laughing and saying the BNP, and therefore the people who vote for them, have no place in politics. The reality is their opinon is relevant, and it has a place. As long as it is ignored, and the problems worsen, the bnp will grow.

Who doesn;t agree with ''more prisons, hospitals and schools'' ''tough on crime'' etc.?

[Oswald von Wolkenstein]

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