BNP condem Halal meat.

**jonny duck** · June 08, 2009, 06:51 PM

Taken from the BNP's Land and People website.

It has come to my attention that you seem to be selling a lot of Halal meat. I hope that meat prepared by way of this vicious and barbaric practice is very clearly marked. Other supermarkets have, in the past, been found to be selling Halal meat without stating such. I hope that you can assure me that if you must sell meat prepared in such a despicable and reprehensible manner then it will be so clearly marked as to leave no chance of my purchasing it by mistake. If no such assurance is forthcoming then I will have to shop (for everything) elsewhere.

http://landandpeople.bnp.org.uk/?cat=32

Feel free to discuss Halal meat, the BNP and any other related articles.

**Thorn777** · June 08, 2009, 07:01 PM

Good to know we have people in politics who are not afraid of addressing the issues that really matter.

Those poor Scottish sheep....

**Denny Crane!** · June 08, 2009, 07:07 PM

Animals are worth more consideration than black men in the BNP's book.

This party is not popular, why are they getting talked up here and in the media? It actually helps the racist tossbags.

**Hookah Smoking Caterpiller** · June 08, 2009, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Seneca

This party is not popular, why are they getting talked up here and in the media? It actually helps the racist tossbags.

Its a double edged sword, If we ignore them, they'll claim the 'establishment is trying to keep real British workers out of power blah blah blah racism'

**Poach** · June 08, 2009, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Modern Life is Rubbish

Its a double edged sword, If we ignore them, they'll claim the 'establishment is trying to keep real British workers out of power blah blah blah racism'

But what if we all just laugh at them?

**Central Asian Qaghan** · June 08, 2009, 07:25 PM

So label it and stop buying it. Sheeh must the BNP whine about everything. There is clearly a meat not marked and that is Pork. Eat that.

**Xen** · June 09, 2009, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by The Shahanshah of Pakistan

So label it and stop buying it. Sheeh must the BNP whine about everything. There is clearly a meat not marked and that is Pork. Eat that.

Pork is meat that has had nothing doen to it, Halal meat is that has been slaughtered in a ritual. Your argument makes no sense. I could understand labeling no halal meat is a muslim country, but I don't think we should have to label everything for every ethinicity, alot of the Christian churc disagree with eating halal meat, and in this country chiristianity is the main religon.

As for the pip pip comment, I could come up with a stereotype, but you'd probally call me racist.

**Chaigidel** · June 08, 2009, 07:25 PM

how is it racist to ask that animals be given a small measure of mercy before they provide you life?

ritual slaughter should be allowed on human beings if it is allowed on these animals for the same reasons.

**Central Asian Qaghan** · June 08, 2009, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Chaigidel

how is it racist to ask that animals be given a small measure of mercy before they provide you life?

How is it not racist to ask a group of people to stop doing what their religious duty is? What about the Kosher laws for the Jews. I don't see them complaining about that, yet it is the same process.

ritual slaughter should be allowed on human beings if it is allowed on these animals for the same reasons.

Fine, you prove what religion says humans should be ritualized salughter, and aren't nazis, and aren't just mansalughters.

**Rich86** · June 09, 2009, 03:55 AM

How is it not racist to ask a group of people to stop doing what their religious duty is?

They didn't ask that though did they?

I hope that you can assure me that if you must sell meat prepared in such a despicable and reprehensible manner then it will be so clearly marked as to leave no chance of my purchasing it by mistake.

They just want it made clear which is Halal meat and which is not.

They should be labelled, if not you can suprise, suprise ask. A few words out of your mouth won't hurt you will they? "Hey are you Halal?" "Yes we are" "Why thank you good chap, i'll go around the corner for a spot of tea!" "Cherio and Pip pip!"

You shouldn't have to ask. If you're determined not to eat halal meat why should you be forced to go around asking everytime you buy meat?

okay, what's the

ing big deal? Don't like Halal meat? Don't eat it?

The problem is it's not being labelled clearly in some places - and so people who don't want to eat it may be unwittingly buying it and eating it anyway by mistake.

**Keravnos** · June 09, 2009, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by Chaigidel

how is it racist to ask that animals be given a small measure of mercy before they provide you life?

ritual slaughter should be allowed on human beings if it is allowed on these animals for the same reasons.

If you really think that a Human life is equal to that of an animal you really need help. The value of your existence is much higher than that of an animal by any standard you want to judge by.

**~~Yosemite~~** · June 08, 2009, 07:26 PM

halal meat is delicious

**Syron** · June 08, 2009, 07:36 PM

Surprise surprise I agree.

Being in mancland I have noticed how poorly shops and supermarkets label if the meat is halal. For example some of the Subway stores around here serve halal but sometimes this isn't clearly labelled in store.

I'd rather not have meat that's been butchered in that way, same way I try and get free range eggs if I can.

Originally Posted by Yosemite

halal meat is delicious

I've actually found the opposite, doesn't taste quite right.

**Central Asian Qaghan** · June 08, 2009, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Syron

Surprise surprise I agree.

Being in mancland I have noticed how poorly shops and supermarkets label if the meat is halal. For example some of the Subway stores around here serve halal but sometimes this isn't clearly labelled in store.

I'd rather not have meat that's been butchered in that way, same way I try and get free range eggs if I can.

They should be labelled, if not you can suprise, suprise ask. A few words out of your mouth won't hurt you will they? "Hey are you Halal?" "Yes we are" "Why thank you good chap, i'll go around the corner for a spot of tea!" "Cherio and Pip pip!"

**ShADoW** · June 08, 2009, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by The Shahanshah of Pakistan

"Why thank you good chap, i'll go around the corner for a spot of tea!" "Cherio and Pip pip!"

LOL

**Syron** · June 08, 2009, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by The Shahanshah of Pakistan

They should be labelled, if not you can suprise, suprise ask. A few words out of your mouth won't hurt you will they? "Hey are you Halal?" "Yes we are" "Why thank you good chap, i'll go around the corner for a spot of tea!" "Cherio and Pip pip!"

They are not well labelled, that's the point........

Oh, and if you want to play on stereotypes why aren't you out blowing yourself up with your brothers?

**Chaigidel** · June 08, 2009, 07:27 PM

it is your religious duty to make sure the animal is fully aware it is being butchered?

can you quote me the passage in the holy quran which commands this ?

the same applies to the jews just as it stated clearly in the article, we should not slaughter animals unless they are stunned first-- somehow made unaware before death, as to not cause them undue suffering

it is a basic dignity that we are commanded to provide by the rights of survival, these beasts die savagely so that we can live, we could at least treat them with some measure of mercy.

somehow just once act like our texts tell us to act, and respect all life.

@yosemite I heard that crusaders thought muslim meat was delicious as well.

**Central Asian Qaghan** · June 08, 2009, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Chaigidel

it is your religious duty to make sure the animal is fully aware it is being butchered?

can you quote me the passage in the holy quran which commands this ?

Can you not search it yourself? Are your google skills that poor? Look it took me 5 seconds. Next time do your own research.

"Forbidden to you are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah. that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it; that which is sacrificed on stone [Altar?]; [forbidden] also is the division by raffling with arrows: that is impiety..." – Al-Maidah 5:3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal

The act of slaughtering itself is preceded by mentioning the name of God. Invoking the name of God at the moment of slaughtering is sometimes interpreted as acknowledgment of God's right over all things. Furthermore, it is an asking of permission to take the life of the animal to be slaughtered,[dubious – discuss] and endows the slaughterer with a sense of gratitude for God's creation,[dubious – discuss] even prior to partaking in the meat of the animal.
Thus, the slaughter itself is preceded by the words "In the name of God, God is the Greatest (Bismillah, Allahu Akbar).[1] It is not regarded appropriate to use the phrase "Bismillah al Raĥman Al Raĥim" (In the name of God the Beneficent the Merciful) in this situation, because slaughtering is an act of subduement rather than mercy.
According to Islamic tradition, the conventional method used to slaughter the animal involves cutting the large arteries in the neck along with the esophagus and trachea with one swipe of an unserrated blade. Muslims argue it provides a relatively painless death as the animal is immediately brain dead[2], but some veterinary and animal rights groups dispute this claim [3] . It also helps to effectively drain blood from the animal. This is important because the consumption of blood itself is forbidden in Islam. Muslims consider this method of killing the animal to be cleaner and more merciful to the animal.
While the blood is draining, the animal is not handled until it has died.

Your reasoning is faulty:

A study done by Professor Wilhelm Schulze et al. at the University of Veterinary Medicine in Germany, with electrodes surgically implanted on the skull of sheep and calves, concluded that "[t]he slaughter in the form of ritual cut is, if carried out properly, painless in sheep and calves according to the EEG recordings and the missing defensive actions."[9] This study is cited by the German Constitutional Court in its permitting of dhabiha slaughtering.[10] The Muslim Council of Great Britain has argued that, during Ḏabīḥah slaughter, "The brain is instantaneously starved of blood and there is no time to start feeling any pain." [4]

@yosemite I heard that crusaders thought muslim meat was delicious as well.

I wonder why you aren't banned yet with your clearly racist posts.

**~~Yosemite~~** · June 08, 2009, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Chaigidel

it is your religious duty to make sure the animal is fully aware it is being butchered?

can you quote me the passage in the holy quran which commands this ?

the same applies to the jews just as it stated clearly in the article, we should not slaughter animals unless they are stunned first-- somehow made unaware before death, as to not cause them undue suffering

it is a basic dignity that we are commanded to provide by the rights of survival, these beasts die savagely so that we can live, we could at least treat them with some measure of mercy.

somehow just once act like our texts tell us to act, and respect all life.

5:3 Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah. that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

eww so gross!

Originally Posted by Chaigidel

if it is painless and quick then I have absolutely no problem with it---- but it should be monitored like any other meat packing process--- religion cannot supercede government ever

well you do realize that any meat you cook is well dead? and by your own text you break the law anytime you eat anything other than the still beating heart of your prey

I would like more experiments done on human beings to confirm when pain is and is not felt upon death.( could do this in hospitals and the like just monitor natural deaths, im sure it is done somewhere? perhaps we could cut terminal patients throats in order to compile valid data.

that's just pushing it

the verse talks of animals that die by themselves, because they could carry bad stuff for you
you do realise that there are many translations out there, here is another one for example

Forbidden to you is that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what was sacrificed to other than God, and that which has been strangled, and that which has been beaten to death, and that which has fallen from a height, and that which has been gored, and that which the wild animals have eaten from except what you managed to rescue, and what has been slaughtered on alters, and what you divide by the arrows of chance. This is all vile. Today the rejecters have given up from your system, so do not fear them, but fear Me. Today I have perfected your system for you, and completed My blessings upon you, and I have accepted submission as the system for you. So, whoever is forced by severe hunger and not seeking sin, then God is Forgiving, Merciful.

or this

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