How my party would look like.

[Treize]

With the absense of a party that I indentify with and a lack of fresh parties, it would be best if someone founded a NEW party.
(This is about Dutch politics but quite universal.)

Warning long text!

What I would like to see is a non-religious centrist party.
They should fist of all be Eurosceptic, the EU is taking away both our money AND souvereignity.
They trow our money away to the Balkans were it disappears in the pockets of corrupt politicians.
It is nothing more then socialism, taking from the rich and giving to the poor, while opening your borders for immigrants.
But the EU must be maintained as an economical and monetarian union, since the Euro has more advantages than disadvantages.
(+ No exchange rates - No monetarian control and the new Eurostates weaken the currency.)

But I DO support Socialism in our own country (not on EU scale) as it is now (so no North-Korean socialism but rather the European form, with Sweden as a good example).
The last decades our welfare system declined, this has to be reversed and improved.

Railroad companies and energy companies should be renationalised as the prices keep rising and the quality dropping and the goverment should subsidise this.

And now the goverment took over Fortis, the company that bought a part of ABN-AMRO.
The goverment should split ABN-AMRO from Fortis again and retain it as a state owned bank (as we used to have, forgot it's name).
Fortis should be sold for the biggest part when this recession is over.

The military budget must be increase drastically with like 50%, this to keep up with the states around us.
I'll post a list of military procurements and reforms later if people are interessed.
The doctime should be based on territorial defence of the Kingdom and it's allies.

Our colonial islands; Aruba (autonomous), Curacoã (soon to be autonomous), Bonaire (soon to be muncipality), St. Maarten (soon to be autonomous), Saba (soon to be muncipality) and St. Eustagius (soon to be muncipality should all become muncipalities (as a new 13th province) of the Netherlands.
They should have the exact same laws (welfare!) and currency as the mainland, they should also have the right to vote.
If possible try to presuade Suriname in too!

Animals right's should be more activly enforced.

We should not spend our money on leftish prestige projects like windmill parks, just build a new nuclear plant.

Soft drugs should be legalised, so it should be legal to cultivate NATURAL drugs legaly for certified companies, today it is legal for shops to sell, but not legal to buy stock

More heavy fireworks should be legalised to stop smuggling from Belgium.

No more useless NATO missions, so no Bosnia, no Afghanistan (and no Iraq but that was no NATO mission).

Allow spirits to be sold in Supermarkets to 18 year olds.

Counter marrige immigration, and child-alimony abroad as it is commonly abused.
Make it harder for people to become Dutchm they should know the language and need to have a job for a certain period (ofcourse with exeptions) and no serious criminal record.

Less CO2 based tax on new cars.

More progressive tax on income.

And maybe we should abolsih private owned schools as on a private school teachers will give you a diploma asong as you pay (more or less, you know what I mean.)

Maybe I'll post more...

[Sebdeas]

You know what the mainstay is of the Dutch economy?
Export.

Which countries does most our export go to?
EU countries.

How much money does this fuel into our economy?
More than the EU costs!

[Justice and Mercy]

You know what the mainstay is of the Dutch economy?
Export.

Which countries does most our export go to?
EU countries.

How much money does this fuel into our economy?
More than the EU costs!

And you think the exports would literally stop if the Dutch left the EU?

No, they might slow a bit, but it would cost less than the cost of staying in the EU.

Plus, if really necessary, you could just have open borders with all the nations you could without being in the EU.

There's no reason to hand legislative power to a central European government (which is what's happening), and plenty of reasons not to.

[Lance-Corporal Jones]

Also, the EU is the same dog with a different collar.

Scenario: You are country X. Your farmers produce lettuce in medium amounts. Your neighbor, country Y, produces plenty of cheap lettuce. Country Y is flooding your country with lettuce, threatening to drive your lettuce farmers out of business.

Old solution: Put a tax on country Y's lettuce.

EU solution: Find an instance of Lettuce Flu on one of country Y's lettuce farms. Claim that all lettuce from country Y must be stopped at the border for examination. Keep the lettuce at the border until it's rotten, and then let it pass.

[Yorkshireman]

You know what the mainstay is of the Dutch economy?
Export.

Which countries does most our export go to?
EU countries.

How much money does this fuel into our economy?
More than the EU costs!

So you whats stopping you still trading with the EU ? Does the EU not trade with anyone outside its borders. The entire rest of the world is not in the EU but still trades. If you've something to sell people will buy it, that won't stop.

[Treize]

So you whats stopping you still trading with the EU ? Does the EU not trade with anyone outside its borders. The entire rest of the world is not in the EU but still trades. If you've something to sell people will buy it, that won't stop.

But we should NOT leave the EU, but the EU must finds it's roots again.
OR we should have an Norway-like free trade agreement.

[Lance-Corporal Jones]

I do think, however, that being out of the EU could actually profit Dutch exports, as it would allow them to protect their economy in an honest way. Nowadays, deprived of the usual means (customs taxes) EU countries need to resort to cheap tricks such as bogus health concerns in order to stop foreign goods from coming in. The result is the same, but it's just a different stratagem.

[Treize]

I said I want the EU to become purely economical again, OR take a look at Norway and Switzerland, they are NOT in the EU but they do have a special trade agreement with the EU, so they have economical cooperation but NO political cooperation.

We can have the economical benefits WITHOUT playing Santa Clause for dubious states...

[Treize]

That's not the problem free trade is good, but the political nonsense is not good...

[Digbert]

That's not the problem free trade is good, but the political nonsense is not good...

QFT +REP

[Lance-Corporal Jones]

Indeed. I have joined your group. The "United states of Europe" is a bad dream from a badly digested "prophecy" of Victor Hugo. If there's an American Dream, this is the European Nightmare.

[Treize]

I believe there will be a new European war in this century, we are not very peacefull peoples an USE won't change anything.
It would just create internal polarisation...

[The Dude]

I believe there will be a new European war in this century, we are not very peacefull peoples an USE won't change anything.
It would just create internal polarisation...

Rofl what is this? A new European War.

That's about as likely as Michael Jackson getting his black back.

[Dr. Croccer]

Rofl what is this? A new European War.

That's about as likely as Michael Jackson getting his black back.

One word:

Rossiya.

And IPA, your 'party is quite nice but has it's flaws.

[Lance-Corporal Jones]

I believe there would certainly be a war if there was European integration! Several countries are already on the verge of civil war: in Belgium, Waloons and Flemish can't stand each other. In Spain, Basques, Catalans and Galicians are getting louder by the minute. In Austria political extremism is getting its way, and in Italy Berlusconi is trying to become an autocrat in the modern style (changing the constitution, cough cough).

Now imagine a huge pressure cooker with all that and more. The Euroreich would be sending troops to stamp out rebellions every two years.

[Manco]

Several countries are already on the verge of civil war: in Belgium, Waloons and Flemish can't stand each other.

Lol


Nice fantasy world you live in.

[Treize]

No, Belgians are too civilised to fight an actual civil war, the tensions are not that strong, really.

More of a souvereignity thing I guess.
Like the British, they would revolt if they joined a USE, or some French chauvinists...


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But please discuss my list.

[Lance-Corporal Jones]

You'll have to get used to my use of rhethoric I'm exaggerating, but what I mean is that if nation-states are already struggling for their unity, what would an uber-nationstate do?

[Treize]

Disintegrate in a bloody conflict, no let's discuss an other subject

Please pick military

[Lance-Corporal Jones]

All right, let's say military. Who's for returning to the military service and non-professional armies?