Last edited by Astaroth; June 12, 2009 at 07:36 AM.
A great guide, +rep for it!
From my own experience: at least on VH campaign difficulty in v 1.2, Austria, Poland and Venice are likely to declare war on Ottomans despite having their own problems in Europe. As long as Ottomans maintain some cheap garrison forces in (an Israeli unit here and there + some melee Janissaries when available) Bosnia, Serbia and Moldova the feeble attempts of Austria and Poland to take those provinces can be thwarted by using city defenses and good battle-map play. Don't oversize these garrisons though. As long as the garrison is not large, AI seems to send small, defeatable forces; once the garrison becomes substantial, AI sends a stack...
I'd advise taking Morrea as soon as possible; once Morrea is Ottoman, Venice no longer has teeth...
Once I had taken Kiev, I granted it to my protectorate: the Crimeans who proved to be more than able to hold this northern front for me. As soon as I did that Russians accepted peace + paid me 1000 pieces of gold. Additional upside from this action: the Ukrainian army becomes available to take Georgia and subsequently Dagestan followin up with Azerbaijan and eventually Persia. Georgia declared war early on in my campaign + they're dangerous since they could field line infantry and cavalry armies early on. The same applies for Dagestan. Hence my advice: a wise Sultan should take them out asap.
Oh, another thought: use your navies wisely. Venice and Austria tend to send out fleets of indiamen; starting Ottoman navies + some sloops/gallies are sufficient to capture good portions of these merchant fleets. These loots allow Ottomans to take part in trade theaters early on.
Very good guide.
I just played the Ottomans. They're not the easiest faction to play, but not that hard either with the right strategy. Once you do well in the first ten years, things get quite easy.
My own guide to the first years:
1. Make peace with Russia. You'll have other enemies to deal with soon enough.
2. Ottomans are not as poor as they may appear. Of all nations, they have the most commercial ports to start with. With the right changes in government and getting the best trade agreements, you can have a surplus income of 10.000 from day 1. What other faction has this? The ports also mean you can build 5 dhows each two turns.
3. The real initial challenges are in Asia, not in Europe. You will be dowed by Georgia, Daghestan and Persia soon.
- upgrade barracks in Bagdad. By far the most cost-efficient unit you can build are the jannissary melee infantry. They can deal with anything that comes their way and are cheap to maintain. Bashi-bouzouks(sp?) and other cheap troops can be added to serve as garissons later.
- consider building a small warfleet (at least 4 brigs/sloops) in the Bagdad port. The Persian fleet has one pesky big ship.
- build a smaller defensive force in Bagdad to hold off the Persian incursions
- the main army should assemble in Armenia. Strike against against Georgia as soon as feasable. From there, march on Daghestan.
- after you've dealt with these two, all the available forces can be used against Persia and victory us assured
4. In Europe in the meantime, redistribute your forces along the frontier with Austria. In my game, Russia, PL and Venice left me in peace. Austria did attack before I could finish things in Asia, but their forces were to weak to do much damage.
5. If Morrocco dows on the Barbary States, do not enter the war. You want the straights of Gibraltar safe for your dhows and trade to pass through. If Morocco is already at war with Spain, you can offer it protectorate status.
Great guide! +rep. Gives me the confidence to start playing as the Turks again, after my last failed attempt.
Hey Astaroth, great visual guide! Kudos to the effort you put in.
I'd like to add my two cents here though, based on my own experience of playing the Ottoman faction.
- Morea, Georgia: Should be taken as early as possible within the first three turns once the Ottoman's have sufficient strength to do so. These cities train at least one unit per turn and as you've pointed out, Georgia itself has VERY decent units. The quicker you eliminate them, the better.
- Dagestan: Should also be taken as early as possible, for the same reason.
- Russia and the Crimean Khanate: I agree with you that the Crimeans must be supported from the start by assisting them in repelling the Russians. Once their initial army is destroyed, Kiev will be virtually undefended and can be conquered easily. One alternative to holding Kiev is to gift it back to Russia in exchnage for a peace treaty, techs and tribute. Another alternative is to gift it to the Crimeans and let them wreak havoc on Russia. Thus freeing up your armies in the North.
- Persia: Can be left alone for a while. Try signing a trade treaty with them if possible. It will ward off any wars while you build up your strength to invade them.
Myself and many others have written at length on this so I won't add more. Please see other tips and strategies on the Ottoman Epire here: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=234632&page=3
"If you are the Sultan, come and lead your armies. If I am the Sultan, I hereby order you to come and lead my armies."
- Mehmed II (the Conqueror of Istanbul) to Murad II, his father, before the Battle of Varna in 1444)
I actually saw that Georgia and Daghestan were easy i defeated both of them in the first couple of turns and i got ifshan from persia im worried of taking the austrian lands :/
There are of course many different ways to achieve victory and every campaign is a bit different from the one before it.
Anyway, I considered conquering Georgia early on but as far as I remember it is rather heavily defended at the beginning of the game. Keep in mind that your army in Mesopotamia is relatively weak and that you can't afford to train many new soldiers if you want to build up your economy. Taking the Morea is possible as well but you do not gain much by conquering it and Venice's fleets might begin blocking your trade routes and ports. Therefore, I decided against conquering it early on.
Last edited by Astaroth; June 15, 2009 at 02:18 PM.
That is unless you destroy Venice's fleet first. I managed to slaughter their fleet with a bunch of galleys and sloops, then constantly raid their trade routs (for some reason you can't blockade or dock in the port in Venice, which stinks because blockading it would really cripple them.
Also, did you encounter a large army when you take the Persian capital? When I attacked it they had a garrison over 2000 strong, which dwarfed my depleted army of 800.
I tried to avoid building a big fleet and focused on building up my land army instead.
By the time I attacked Isfahan, I had more than two full stacks whereas Persia's army had been reduced to less than 1,000 men. I scouted Persia constantly and waited until my troops outnumbered the Persian ones before I attacked.Also, did you encounter a large army when you take the Persian capital? When I attacked it they had a garrison over 2000 strong, which dwarfed my depleted army of 800.
Nice write up. Rep+
I was thinking of another strategy. How would selling your three provinces that border the European nations work. I was thinking that you could sell one to Poland, one to Austria, and one to either Prussia or to Austria. That way you only have one border to defend, you can build infrastructure with the money and most likely get an alliance leaving you with a solid border to the West. Then you focus on raising an army in the East to take out Persia, Georgia, and Dagestan. Once you did that you could build up until you have a good economy and launch an attack on Europe.
This seems to be a possible alternative and I'd encourage you to try it. However, I think there are a few things you have to keep in mind:
- Will you actually manage to sell all of those provinces? And how much money will you get for that? Is giving up three regions for little gain really a good idea?
- Your border to the north might be shorter as a result but that doesn't mean that your neighbors would be less hostile. In fact, giving your regions away might encourage them to expand further. Not to mention that it will also strengthen them.
- If you give up your European regions temporarily, Russia will definitely seize your Crimean protectorate sooner or later. That will weaken your position further and Russia might will expand further into the Balkans or the Caucasus as a result.
- Selling your territories will result in a loss of tax money which in turn means that you won't be able to field a large field army. Therefore, it's doubtful that you would be able to field an army strong enough to beat Georgia, Dagestan and Persia.
- The European front is usually not very busy anyway. All you have to do is to keep small garrisons in the cities and to fight off Russia's attacks from the north. The gain from having a protectorate and the money which you will earn via your farms and other economic buildings on the Balkans probably exceeds the upkeep cost of your northern army.
In conclusion I'd probably advise against giving up your European provinces. Generally, I only abandon regions if I either cannot hold them (such as Armenia in the Ottoman campaign) or if losing them doesn't affect me at all while defending them would be very hard and costly (an example for this would be Florida in the Spanish campaign. Losing it will barely affect your campaign whereas it would be hard to defend it against constant attacks).
Hey, I have a quick question....
I captured all Morea, Dagestan, Georgia, and all of Persia (except Afghanistan, Mughals got that). But right now, things are quiet in the Balkans, so I want to take some land in India, before the Mughals are overrun by the Marathas. But, the Mughals still have control half of India and their navy will crush my weak Indian Ocean fleet. On top of that I have great relations with both Indian nations (which I woud like to keep), so could you give me some short term tips to help me plan my invasion of India.
Thanks...
With India,
In the two Ottoman campaigns i've completed, I've always started with an two prong invasion attempt on India.
Two full stacks starting in Afghanistan/Baluchistan,
- One heads south-east towards Sindh then moves towards Gujarat
- The other heads eastward towards Punjab then makes its way to Hindustan.
(I've always started in the North when conquering India simply because the concentration of Muslim populations makes the territories easier to control).
The idea is to capture these production centres a.s.a.p and start pumping out Janissary Line Infantry en masse. Build a few full stacks and take multiple cities before they can react.
The first 1.2 H/H campaign went well with India being relatively very well developed by both the Maratha's and Mughal Empire. This meant their buildings were upgrade beyond what I had researched and were able to pump 5 Janissary Line Infantry per City (awesome sauce).
The second 1.3 H/H campaign was a bit of a shambles with neither Mughal or Marathan states reaching fire-by-rank technology. It seemed both states were grinding each other down while Mysore lay the smack down on the southern most Marathan provinces (Capturing 4 of them by the time I arrived). I spent 10 turns building their buildings before launching the full-scale assault.
Oh and don't worry about keeping good relations with either Indian Empires. You want to take all of India. Its just ridiculously rich. The territories you capture will easily fund your blitzerg of India and then some. But the time I conquered all of India, I had 6 full-stacks in the theatre and was still making 40k. After quashing resistance to foreign occupation (and disbanding said armies) i was making 80,000. Have good trade relations and im sure that figure can double easily. Needless to say conquering Europe became child's play after taking India
Thats a great strategy but, unfortunately the Mughals snatched Afghanistan before I could, and my industries are still in the process of being developed, so money is tight...but, how about if I try getting military access, (getting to the capital of Afghanistan will take at least 2-3 turns). Then I have the oppurtunity to strategically position armies so I can capture several cities at once.
That could work,
Another thing that might work is trading one of your balkan territories for Military access/Territory swap. (I trade all my balkan's holdings minus Greece, Morea and Istanbul for peace treaties or trade agreements simply because things got too hot).
All i have to say is + rep
;-) good job nice walkthrough