France did good choice by defaming Polish liberaters?

[King Peter I]

June 6th, 2009, was the 65th anniversary of D-day. Poles played a crucial role liberating France. Poles took part in the Normandy Landings, had an important role in Operation Totalize, Operation Tractable, Falaise pocket, and Poles defended an important strategic point at Hill 262 against German armies for 3 days with Poles having low number equipment in that battle (Americans were suppose to drop but it was dropped a couple miles from the Polish Soldiers). Hill 262 was a key position involved in the entrapment of the remaining German forces in Normandy and the closure of the Falaise Pocket in August 1944. This Battle opened the rode to liberate Paris, and all of France. Poland, by the end of the war was the fourth largest an important army of the allies after, The Soviet Union, America, and Great Britain.


Now after 65 years, French president does not invite the Polish president, prime minister, NOR Polish veterans. French President replies that this annaversary was about "Franco-American" relationships. This for me disgusting what France did, to defame Polish Soldiers that faught the longest time with Nazis, and had the best soldiers.


^Polish Forces moving throw town


^Polish Infantry


^Surrendering Germans


^german destroyed equipment at Hill 262


^german column destroyed by Poles


^Poles destroy german Column





^German Counterattack

[Pious Agnost]

France is really bad like that...
Maybe someday a French President will apologize for snubbing the very people who liberated France.

Or perhaps, a Polish-Algerian invasion of France will do

[Justice and Mercy]

Get their honor back?

If there's one good thing you can learn from an American perspective, it's that you should NEVER give a what the French say or do.

[Aldgarkalaughskel]

Get their honor back?

If there's one good thing you can learn from an American perspective, it's that you should NEVER give a what the French say or do.

If there's one good thing you can learn from an European perspective, it's that you should NEVER give a what the American nationalists say or do, and approach problems with greater tolerance, nuance and sophistication.

[Ishoss]

The French pansies left out every nations, the Norwegians weren't invited either despite participating with two-thousand men.

Edit: Except for USA and France obviously.

[Lance-Corporal Jones]

Yeah, well maybe if you didn't goddamn glorify Normandy that much, you wouldn't be whining that the French president doesn't spend a fortune sending out invites to every goddamn country who put a few boots on the ground.

I mean sheesh, the US should invite all the Russian veterans to Washington for Stalingrad every now and then! After all, the Soviets suffered over 80% of Allied casualties, but nobody seems to care.

As for our Polish and Norwegian friends, it's hard to make everyone happy. Heck, the French even snub themselves! France suffered 350,000 losses, 100,000 dead in 1940 and the rest throughout the war, but they don't give themselves any recognition -- in fact, many of them have even bought into the "surrender monkey" billshat. It's sad but true, that the French don't give enough recognition to their own war veterans.

So chill out, Goddammit! All soldiers were brave, all of them, but the fact that this guy or that didn't get invited to some silly ceremony doesn't mean a thing!

[Ishoss]

Yeah, well maybe if you didn't goddamn glorify Normandy that much, you wouldn't be whining that the French president doesn't spend a fortune sending out invites to every goddamn country who put a few boots on the ground.

I mean sheesh, the US should invite all the Russian veterans to Washington for Stalingrad every now and then! After all, the Soviets suffered over 80% of Allied casualties, but nobody seems to care.

As for our Polish and Norwegian friends, it's hard to make everyone happy. Heck, the French even snub themselves! France suffered 350,000 losses, 100,000 dead in 1940 and the rest throughout the war, but they don't give themselves any recognition -- in fact, many of them have even bought into the "surrender monkey" billshat. It's sad but true, that the French don't give enough recognition to their own war veterans.

So chill out, Goddammit! All soldiers were brave, all of them, but the fact that this guy or that didn't get invited to some silly ceremony doesn't mean a thing!

They used to invite everyone, all veterans who was on Normandy, now suddenly they don't. I think thats a huge part of the problem.

[Pallantides]

The French pansies left out every nations, the Norwegians weren't invited either despite participating with two-thousand men.

LOL seriously is there one thing Norwegians can do, it's exaggerating their own importance.

[Justice and Mercy]

If there's one good thing you can learn from an European perspective, it's that you should NEVER give a what the American nationalists say or do, and approach problems with greater tolerance, nuance and sophistication.

You think this issue is something serious enough to approach with tolerance, nuance, and sophistication?

Not me. I think it's a really big joke. Then again, that's how I usually look at European issues.

[il padrino]

You Poles are even lucky,Serbia got bombed by it's former WW1 an WW2 allies

[Romano-Dacis]

Wait: are we supposed to be surprised that Eastern European contributions to European history are glossed over?

Anyway, if this is the first time then I'd treat it as a mistake and get over it. If it happens again next year you should be pissed.

[Yorkshireman]

Wait: are we supposed to be surprised that Eastern European contributions to European history are glossed over?

Its nothing to do with Eastern Europeans its to do with the French failing to acknowledge the people who liberated their country. And as its purely about D-Day, the fact that there were only 900 French troops involved on that day out of 160,000, which they seem to want to gloss over.

[Arto]

Oh it's France; big deal.

[Slaxx Hatmen]

Heh, why do ya' think my French ancestors left for Louisiana?(I blame Paris, that city needs a proper spanking...again!)

But remember, it's not about commemorating WW2 participants, it's about kissing up to the U.S. Otherwise, this ceremony probably wouldn't still be practiced.

[Lance-Corporal Jones]

Heh, why do ya' think my French ancestors left for Louisiana?(I blame Paris, that city needs a proper spanking...again!)

They probably left because they were convicts or undesirable scumbags. That's the colonies to you.

And Paris is awesome. Honni soit qui mal y pense...

[Farnan]

It was a celebration of D-Day which was a Canadian-US-Free French-British Operation. The Poles and Dutch troops came later.

[Lance-Corporal Jones]

Yorkshireman, I know I'm going to get flak for saying this, but it's not just a question of liberating France. Liberating France, but also liberating Europe, and, most of all, getting to Germany.

The Allied order of strategy to reach Germany was to go through Italy first, Normandy second and Provence third. So you may say that, in a way, the fact that D-day happened in France was a matter of geography.

"Liberating France" was the justification for the sacrifice those brave soldiers did, but it was not the actual reason. Soldiers need motivation, and that was a noble cause for their sacrifice, not geopolitics.

[Yorkshireman]

The Allied order of strategy to reach Germany was to go through Italy first, Normandy second and Provence third. So you may say that, in a way, the fact that D-day happened in France was a matter of geography.

Yes, you perfectly correct. If Holland was closer we'd have invaded there. But I think there is always a lingering suspicion that the French were never too grateful that they had to rely so much on British (especially) aid to recover their country. (I could be wrong!)

It was a celebration of D-Day which was a Canadian-US-Free French-British Operation. The Poles and Dutch troops came later.

Only 900 Free French para's dropped on D-Day. The 2nd FF Armoured division did'nt land until Aug 1st.

[Azog 150]

It was a celebration of D-Day which was a Canadian-US-Free French-British Operation. The Poles and Dutch troops came later.

I think the OP was mostly referring to the fact that Sarkosy called it a 'Franco-American' event which pissed me, most of Britain and probably Canada off.

[Farnan]

I think the OP was mostly referring to the fact that Sarkosy called it a 'Franco-American' event which pissed me, most of Britain and probably Canada off.

That is something to be pissed off at though. It was a joint operation by 4 nations and should be recognized as such.