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    Concering the European Elections

    This will more liklely be of interest for british on here, but might also interest others europe.



    Who might you vote for?
    and how do you think the elections will go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    ''Racist people vote for the far left policies of the far left BNP.''


    ...wat.


    Lemme guess, he's a Tory or UKIP?
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
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    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

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    Then I'm God.
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    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    ''Racist people vote for the far left policies of the far left BNP.''


    ...wat.


    Lemme guess, he's a Tory or UKIP?

    90% of the BNP manifesto has a traditional left wing/socialist slant on it but they get labelled far right because of their policies on immigration and the fact they want to forceably re-patronise immigrants back to their countries of origin.

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    Labour deserve to get crushed in these elections, the promise of a referendum on the Lisbon treaty has been broken and they deserve the kicking they got. However it doesn't matter how hard you kick 'new' Labour they will just continue on regardless treating British democracy as a dictatorship and ignoring public opinion. Labour for example sets out to introduce a new road charging scheme in London and to give the illusion of democracy and that they listen to the public they setup public consultations but regards of what comes out of that consultation period they just go ahead an implement the scheme and to hell with any objections that people might have with it. The abuse of the parliament emergency act is something else that boils my piss, that law is their for what it says 'an emergency' - banning fox hunting isn't an emergency and just shows just how class prejudiced labour truly are at their core.
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    I was recently invited to the Welsh language Question Time ('Pawb a'i Farn') European Special in Pontardawe. Again, there was a lot of talk on Expenses and the BNP (there was a BNP party member in the back row). But the night confirmed that if I could vote I'd be voting for Plaid Cymru again. The Conservative there walked into a blunder at the start, Alun Cairns (AM), saying it was sad that the focus of the European Election would be on the MPs Expenses business when there are more important issues such as the economy and climate change, which is extremely hypocritical considering that these should then be big issues in the general election and yet his party leader was calling for an immediate election while every body's attention is on the MPs expenses. Eluned Morgan, the retiring Labour MEP said that she never used the word Wales in parliament as it reduced the chances of bills being passed, which didn't go down well with the audience (all naturally Welsh speaking), some later saying that if she did so she wasn't really representing Wales. The Lib Dems had the Lord Roger Roberts there, who was far older and wasn't as intense as the others, naturally. And Jill Evans (AM) who was pretty sound all the way through. Of course, like all Question Times, it was all a lot of talk without statistics or really getting the parties policies across, but I can say that it only confirmed that if I could be voting I'd be voting for Plaid, part of the Greens-European Free Alliance party, which are definitely more socialist than the ESP and also focus on devolution and green policies.

    The English question time was far more interesting. I though Daniel Hannan was the best on that panel, but again there was little talk on actual policies, and a lot of 'who can say the best speech' on the BNP and the expenses business.

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    I have to agree that Daniel Hannan comes across very well. He was right about the BNP and why people say they could vote for them.

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    UKIP answering well again. If they sort out some of their policies they could become a serious political force. They seem to have the PR.

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    PR is all well and good, but if you have amateur and useless members then it's all for nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Яome kb8 View Post
    PR is all well and good, but if you have amateur and useless members then it's all for nothing.
    So far they are making a far better account of themselves than anyone, certainly on the show with Jeremy Vine the representative was better than most and they seem to account just as well as the conservatives in other places.

    Lib dems and Labour have been amateur.

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    well actaully, if UKIP had got a few more thousand votes, it would have kept Nick griffin out and have given UKIP 14 MEP's.

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    i recylced my vote invitation last weekend after thinking about that move for 30 seconds

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    Labour in total meltdown.

    The Labour Party, by its very name, was intended to help the working class and the most vulnerable members of society. It has failed them abysmally and in the most disgraceful fashion, as child poverty, income differentials and the payment of tax by those on low incomes have soared, Labour MPs have concentrated on enriching themselves with public money.

    The single worst feature of the Labour administration since 1997 has been the massive increase in working poverty, those in full-time employment who, at the end of each month, have still not earned enough to survive and are obliged to apply for government assistance in the form of a subsidy, tax credit or some other form of begging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Incontinenta Buttox View Post
    Labour in total meltdown.

    The Labour Party, by its very name, was intended to help the working class and the most vulnerable members of society. It has failed them abysmally and in the most disgraceful fashion, as child poverty, income differentials and the payment of tax by those on low incomes have soared, Labour MPs have concentrated on enriching themselves with public money.

    The single worst feature of the Labour administration since 1997 has been the massive increase in working poverty, those in full-time employment who, at the end of each month, have still not earned enough to survive and are obliged to apply for government assistance in the form of a subsidy, tax credit or some other form of begging.
    this is true also for the liberals in canada and spd in germany. terrible . it disturbs me. i am going to vote the left wing of es spd and former communists this year jsut because i dont know who to vote for

    german labour class already pays the highes taxes in whole europe (low income tax level) - cant really vote for a party that doesnt support the labour class anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlerich View Post
    this is true also for the liberals in canada and spd in germany. terrible . it disturbs me. i am going to vote the left wing of es spd and former communists this year jsut because i dont know who to vote for
    What? you are lied to and shown that government centric policies that make a population dependant on state spending doesnt work so you will vote for communists who will only do worse?

    "i am going to vote the left wing" Labour is left wing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Incontinenta Buttox View Post
    Labour in total meltdown.

    The Labour Party, by its very name, was intended to help the working class and the most vulnerable members of society. It has failed them abysmally and in the most disgraceful fashion, as child poverty, income differentials and the payment of tax by those on low incomes have soared, Labour MPs have concentrated on enriching themselves with public money.

    The single worst feature of the Labour administration since 1997 has been the massive increase in working poverty, those in full-time employment who, at the end of each month, have still not earned enough to survive and are obliged to apply for government assistance in the form of a subsidy, tax credit or some other form of begging.

    As true as that is, what will the Tories, or anyone else for that matter do about it?
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    Its on at the usual time tonight?

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    Ja

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    Gut.

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    lustig

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    those two again



    Heath took us in, thatcher had a change of heart and wanted us out.
    Under labour, we have been rapidly converging into this new european superstate.
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