Lifespan in Westros

**Tywin Lannister** · June 02, 2009, 02:56 AM

Exactly how do characters naturally live in this mod?

In my Greyjoy campaign, Starks still have Ser Rodrik Cassel, who is well past 70 now, and Balon himself is currently 68 and showed no signs of dying yet...

**Darkstar** · June 02, 2009, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by Tywin Lannister

Exactly how do characters naturally live in this mod?

In my Greyjoy campaign, Starks still have Ser Rodrik Cassel, who is well past 70 now, and Balon himself is currently 68 and showed no signs of dying yet...

The max age is set to 90.

**Tywin Lannister** · June 02, 2009, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Darkstar

The max age is set to 90.

Great... That's 22 years for Balon to sit the Seastone Chair...

But, on a serious note, shouldn't it be lowered? With exception of Late Walder Frey, no one in Seven Kingdoms lived anywhere near that long. 65 - 70 would me more then enough, in my opinion, especially considering 0.25 years per turn speed.

**Arthur Artorius** · June 02, 2009, 03:56 PM

Yeah and the way a lot of those nobles eat... If max age is set to 90 that doesnt mean everyone lives that long, it just means there's the chance. If you keep your characters healthy and out of harm's way then there's a greater chance though. I could be wrong, but I think that's how it works.

**Tywin Lannister** · June 02, 2009, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Arthur Artorius

Yeah and the way a lot of those nobles eat... If max age is set to 90 that doesnt mean everyone lives that long, it just means there's the chance. If you keep your characters healthy and out of harm's way then there's a greater chance though. I could be wrong, but I think that's how it works.

The way I understand "max age" is: once character has reached max age, he or she has a chance of dying each year, increasing each year.

It should definitely be lowered at least to 70, in my opinion.

**Stoicblitzer** · June 02, 2009, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Tywin Lannister

Great... That's 22 years for Balon to sit the Seastone Chair...

But, on a serious note, shouldn't it be lowered? With exception of Late Walder Frey, no one in Seven Kingdoms lived anywhere near that long. 65 - 70 would me more then enough, in my opinion, especially considering 0.25 years per turn speed.

Lady Olenna, the queen of thorns, is pretty old. Maester Aemon is 2 and 100 years old according to samwell. they aren't fighters true, but some characters did live for a long time.

**Tywin Lannister** · June 03, 2009, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Stoicblitzer

Lady Olenna, the queen of thorns, is pretty old. Maester Aemon is 2 and 100 years old according to samwell. they aren't fighters true, but some characters did live for a long time.

Yes, but Master Aemon and Late Walder Frey are notable because they are exceptions. Olenna Tyrell is nowhere near 90, likewly around 70 - 75 at the most.

As the mod stand *everyone* lives at least as long as 90, moreover, able to personally patricipate in battles at that age.

**stormbringer951** · June 03, 2009, 02:40 AM

True. Lower it to something like 70 or so at least. 90 is slightly unrealistic...

**Thierry007** · June 03, 2009, 10:04 AM

70 is too young

i guess 75/80 a good age and with old age persons you could always roleplay them as governours too old and frail to fight? (even if they are scarred and have Bastion of Health

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**stormbringer951** · June 03, 2009, 12:06 PM

70. Westeros is not modern day. We could always add Deus lo Vult type age traits I suppose...

**Arthur Artorius** · June 03, 2009, 12:24 PM

I like 70 too. I can't think of any characters over 70 who went campaigning, at least not off the top of my head... except maybe the Old Bear.

**Thierry007** · June 03, 2009, 01:47 PM

Hmm 70 could be good too then Hehe Could there be traits connected to age? Like at the age of 65 he gets -3 command and less fertility ( due to oldness or a disease) or -3 hitpoints oldness or weakness due to old age it would look better on old characters and it could make the lands of Westeros harder with old characters... but there could also be positive things Like tax bonuses and Trade bonuses wisdom comes with the ages =P

**stormbringer951** · June 03, 2009, 03:45 PM

Traits connected to old age are implemented in Deus lo Vult.

**Werthead** · June 04, 2009, 02:50 PM

Olenna Tyrell is about 65, according to GRRM himself. Aemon was 102 in AFFC and Walder Frey is ninety-something, and Aemon and Walder are definitely exceptions.

**Baalan** · June 04, 2009, 03:16 PM

My 2p on the matter...
I fail to see why it would make any difference if a character reaches 90 or 95 in this mod...if you want to stay 'true' to the books, then half of them would be dead or something before the 50 turn mark...especially a young northern boy.

So trying to fit the books in terms of character age is a real pain with no obvious benefits...

I can see the problem with some factions that have great candidates for the 'throne', being forced to keep an aged king that simply is not their cup of tea, yet random events do occur and battles sometimes are lost...big time

as i said, just my 2p
Indeed, thank you all involved for a very good mod so far. Eagerly awaiting more to come - keep it up!

cheers and have fun

**Tywin Lannister** · June 07, 2009, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Baalan

My 2p on the matter...
I fail to see why it would make any difference if a character reaches 90 or 95 in this mod...if you want to stay 'true' to the books, then half of them would be dead or something before the 50 turn mark...especially a young northern boy.

So trying to fit the books in terms of character age is a real pain with no obvious benefits...

The mod doesn't - and shouldn't - follow the books to the letter.

It allows player to explore various possibilities that don't happen in the books, including a certain young northern boy staying alive, fathering children, and dying a content old man.

Originally Posted by Baalan

I can see the problem with some factions that have great candidates for the 'throne', being forced to keep an aged king that simply is not their cup of tea, yet random events do occur and battles sometimes are lost...big time

For certain characters it would be illogical to take active part in battles - especially should they reach old age. And purposefully sending aging characters off to die in some battle doesn't fit some players' style.

Balon Greyjoy commanded his forces from Pyke, and unless it is seiged, there is no chance for him to die in battle. Tywin Lannister commanded men in the field, but would be more then happy to give battlefield command to somebody else, if he had a man capable of it; and he would no doubt return to Casterly Rock and command Lannister forces from there when he would get older.

I believe that having a logical max age is far better solution then having players kill off their characters when they feel they should die, and it is easy to implement, I believe.

Personally, I would prefer max age to be set to 65, which will result in characters naturally living to 65 ~ 70, which is consistent with what we know of usual lifespan in Westros.