Multiple pope like megafactions.

**★Bandiera Rossa☭** · May 30, 2009, 10:18 PM

I am working on my mod GTW (Ghibelline:Total War) and I am trying to find out if there is a way to script a second pope faction (to be the holy roman emperor) that can call crusades against the pope. are there any ways of having multiple papacy factions that you know of?
thank you
-Slurricane

**konny** · May 31, 2009, 06:33 AM

None that I know of. dHRR had completly script in the Emperor, without any possibilities to use the Papal game mechanics for it.

**★Bandiera Rossa☭** · May 31, 2009, 12:37 PM

Thanks

So do you think I would be better off using the crusade for the Pope and Jihad for the emperor?

**Nakharar** · May 31, 2009, 12:49 PM

i would reccomend that too Slurricane try giving another faction papal_faction stance in descr_sm_faction

**★Bandiera Rossa☭** · May 31, 2009, 01:15 PM

I could try that.. however would they be able to work as two religions.. like Ghibelline religion (culture pretty much) and Guelph culture?

**konny** · June 01, 2009, 07:18 AM

In this case the Ghibellins would be no Catholics and cannot become Pope.

Depending on the size of your map, when this shows Italy only, I would suggest to make the Emperor a scripted reinforcement that is controlled by one of the Ghibelline factions.

**★Bandiera Rossa☭** · June 08, 2009, 12:28 AM

What you mean is have the emperor able to come and be a general to fight the guelfs? its an intriguing idea..

**konny** · June 08, 2009, 04:57 AM

Yes. Depending on certain requirements the Emperor would appear on the scene as a named character of one of the Ghibelline communities, Cremona or whom you have there. This should be mostly random and lesser tied to the actual situation, because the Emperors didn't care so much on the situation in Italy. Save maybe for the Staufers, none of them would have marshalled a large army for Italy only because some loyal communities would have been in trouble.

He would be accompanied by a smaller or larger army. You could either script in historical Italienzüge of the time or randomize it. The Emperor would then be controlled by this faction.

What is important is that as long as the Emperor is in Italy he would always be able to call for reinforcements from Germany. This could either simulated by additional smaller armies appearing during that time in the North of the map (the appearance of one of these corps near Milan caused the battle of Legnano), or by a special "German Knights" unit that is recruitable in small numbers for free in the Ghibelline cities during this time.

What is also important is, that the Emperor might at any point be required to leave Italy, regardless of the situation there (sent character off map). He might, but must not, return later.

The (dis-)appearence of the Emperor, as a negative effect, should also cause spamming of strong rebel armies, because the Emperors brought large numbers of German mercenary knights to Italy, of which many stayed and started marauding thereafter.

**★Bandiera Rossa☭** · June 08, 2009, 05:59 PM

I am planning on using Ghibelline and Guelph as religions, would I be able to make a script so the emperor comes for the Ghibelline faction with the highest percentage of Ghibelline "Religion"

**konny** · June 09, 2009, 04:23 AM

"The highest" is always difficult to check for, but checking for religion is possible in general.

**★Bandiera Rossa☭** · June 09, 2009, 03:41 PM

So is there a way to check for number of provinces with that as the dominant "religion"?

**konny** · June 10, 2009, 04:36 AM

The only one I could think of would be this:

Code:

Identifier:	PopulationOwnReligion
Trigger requirements:	character_record
Parameters:	logic token, percent
Sample use:	PopulationOwnReligion >= 80
Description:	Test the factions religion in characters current region
Battle or Strat:	Strat
Class:	POPULATION_OWN_RELIGION

You would need a Gihbelline character in each region to check it. And the result would be a total number, like "Cremona Gihbelline >= 80%", and not a relative value like "Cremona more Giheblline than Mantua".