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What makes leaders go evil?
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Jon ashcrow(?) - After the CIA asked Powel, Rice, Rumsfeld & Ash Croft to sign the permission regarding torture.
Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga- The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
http://imgur.com/a/DMm19
Originally Posted by Finn
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Re: What makes leaders go evil?
Define 'evil'. You also need to prove why do you think that certain members of the Bush government can be attributed to that definition.
Let's take the following definition of evil: morally insane. But even then, you'll need to define what morality is, or what moral standards do you take as default, as they change from time to time, from place to place. If you refer to the basic moral principles, like "Don't kill", you'll need to define what that really means. For example, killing the enemy or killing anyone? Is commanding people to kill the same crime as killing someone single-handedly? If yes, how do you differentiate between killing in a war and genocide? What's the difference for instance, between Thomas Jefferson who prepared the plans of the genocide of Native Americans or Adolf Hitler or did the same with the Jewish people? Is bad intent enough or should actions be taken? There are many considerations when stigmatizing a leader as 'evil'.
Re: What makes leaders go evil?
Often it takes allot of evil in order to become a so called "leader".
Remember to smile
Re: What makes leaders go evil?
I wrote the first post to close in the definition of the pictures, hoping for some close minded to blow up a few phrases to discuss. And here come you, blowing it up even more. he he
Where can we start, there is soooooo much wrong. I can pick 1000s of diffrent cases, split them up in 100s of (confessions)videos. Seems like I need to crack on this for a while, (danm
Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga- The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
http://imgur.com/a/DMm19
Miles
Re: What makes leaders go evil?
In my own opinion, when they stop working for their people and more for their own personal glory. Decisions made that were supposed to better their own country or group of people at the costs of others is not necessarily evil, we all do it all the time. It's when they stop using their power for the good of the group/nation that they become "evil".
Of course this all just a personal opinion, if you really want to define it in absolute terms then your out of luck. Can't be done.
*takes off trousers
Re: What makes leaders go evil?
I think with Bush, it was when he married Laura. Laura killed a man when she was young. Shiz you not.
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Re: What makes leaders go evil?
I think Bush was a very disturbed person, in the mind. I and Col. Lawrance W think he was a complete plow up doll.
The others of the administartion
Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga- The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
http://imgur.com/a/DMm19
Remember to smile
Re: What makes leaders go evil?
A state ment can be: When leaders go to war for...what?
- 250 000 civilians killer (close to a milion if we count lack of law, medical, religious unstability, etc b/c of the war)
Closeing in on 5000 coalitions.- Gitmo never provided any useful info, not even in the secret ongoing memos. Water-boarding has been used since the Spanish inqusition, to find withces, and in Korean war for false testemony. Both Al-queda & US train on this torture, in order to call the bluff.
- Abu grab, and all the small torture bases was allso orders from the top to justify, and to create a banner of anger when marching toward Iraq. CNN, 2006 poll showed that about 50 % americans belived Saddam was involved with 9/11.
- USA got 1000s of people locked up for a dime bag, while you got Cheney ontop of a podium, bragging about how great torture was, and that it "worked". The same day, you got the President speaking about how we should not haste past the laws of the constitution, to ease politics(exactly what he does when skipping judicial court of the resposible of crimes commited).
- Discrimination of people with middle easter backround. Both a legal police-check level and a civilian level. It never worked, and only worked against it's purpose.
- Illegal government TLF-tapping of, congress, the press and the american citizen. Without even talking to the judges.
- The Surge was a complete bull. The domestic forces did most of the job, and petraus taking the honor. According to Col. LW.
Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga- The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
http://imgur.com/a/DMm19
Re: What makes leaders go evil?
they walk into the hell portal it happens every time
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Re: What makes leaders go evil?
"If you wanna test a man's character, give him power."
- Abraham Lincoln
"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." -- Robert Pirsig
"Feminists are silent when the bills arrive." -- Aetius
"Women have made a pact with the devil — in return for the promise of exquisite beauty, their window to this world of lavish male attention is woefully brief." -- Some Guy
Praeses
Re: What makes leaders go evil?
evil is the wrong word because evil is subjective. using a condome could be called evil or common sense by 2 different people.
the answer is power often corrupts. if you feel you can get away with things you might do them depending on your moral values. i get mad when i hear a politician or business guy took a suitcase with money for some services. i ask for harsh punishment. if somebody would offer me a suitcase with money and all i had to do is "miss something" at work or do it slightly different....ohhhhhhh whole different story. i had to fight a lot with myself if i should take or shouldnt take the suitcase.
so power corrupts. or the german saying "gelegenheit macht diebe" "opportunity makes thieves"
Comes Limitis
Re: What makes leaders go evil?
well there is only one thing undenieably evil in the world though: EA
Semisalis
Re: What makes leaders go evil?
What about Mr. T and his Flavor Wave Oven, how could you BA.
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Re: What makes leaders go evil?
absolute power. duh.
Tribunus
Re: What makes leaders go evil?
Q: What makes world leaders go evil?
A: They stop being our SOB's.
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Re: What makes leaders go evil?
Power corrupts, poverty makes bitterness, and the Middle Classes are forced to clear up the mess left by these, and all of the three are humans.
In such a world, Good can never prevail.
A new mobile phone tower went up in a town in the USA, and the local newspaper asked a number of people what they thought of it. Some said they noticed their cellphone reception was better. Some said they noticed the tower was affecting their health.
A local administrator was asked to comment. He nodded sagely, and said simply: "Wow. And think about how much more pronounced these effects will be once the tower is actually operational."
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Re: What makes leaders go evil?
Gotta love thought-terminating clichés. Let's add a few more. Here, watch.
Life is unfair. Such is life. Just forget it. Touché.
Vicarius
Re: What makes leaders go evil?
Mixing good / evil into politics is a bad idea, there is no such thing. Just different opinions.
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