Quality of Uruk-Hai Raiders

[MVP7]

Are Uruk-Hai Raiders meant to be similar units to ones seen in Fellowship?

I mean, the Uruk-Hai "Raiders" in the movie were first and the best Uruk-Hai Saruman created, the elite of the Isengard. In the mod they are just medium quality mass-infantry.

[sumaznguy]

I find that mass snaga skirmishers work better. Then again I am fighting against Rohan cavalry so Uruk-Raiders aren't the best choice.

[Haldir]

Are Uruk-Hai Raiders meant to be similar units to ones seen in Fellowship?

I mean, the Uruk-Hai "Raiders" in the movie were first and the best Uruk-Hai Saruman created, the elite of the Isengard. In the mod they are just medium quality mass-infantry.

If they're based on the ones at Amon Hen, wouldn't they have a different set of armour?

Such as this:

[MVP7]

Well, in my opinion they have quite irregular look like the ones in the movie. But yeah, they aren't wearing helmets like most of the Uruk-Hai seen in the film.

If you are right and they aren't the same unit, then arises a question: Why there aren't those elite Uruk-Hai in the mod They would be awesome.

[Haldir]

Well, in my opinion they have quite irregular look like the ones in the movie. But yeah, they aren't wearing helmets like most of the Uruk-Hai seen in the film.

If you are right and they aren't the same unit, then arises a question: Why there aren't those elite Uruk-Hai in the mod They would be awesome.

It seems that the Uruk Raiders at the moment are really uruk infantry without helmets. It would be really cool to see them resemble the scouts used at Amon Hen more.

[MVP7]

Yeah. Isengard's early game army could consist mainly of Dunlendin and goblin units, as Saruman handn't yet created Uruk-Hai at the time the campaing starts (as far as I know).

[ruthless knight]

all uruk are the same ,only their armor varies(except their chosen leaders,lurtz for example)

[Hallow]

all uruk are the same ,only their armor varies(except their chosen leaders,lurtz for example)

My eyes! Lurtz is not a real character he is a figment of PJ's imagination, get this heresy away from me! The real captain of the Uruk Hai was UGLUK, he lead them and was eventually killed by Eomer when he dismounted in the battle between his company and the Uruk Hai band and fought Ugluk in a sword duel.

[Haldir]

My eyes! Lurtz is not a real character he is a figment of PJ's imagination, get this heresy away from me! The real captain of the Uruk Hai was UGLUK, he lead them and was eventually killed by Eomer when he dismounted in the battle between his company and the Uruk Hai band and fought Ugluk in a sword duel.

Shhhhh... Calm down.. It's ok... It's ok... Lurtz is gone... would a pic of Ugluk make you happy?
Here you go:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Hehe, you got Lurtz-rolled

[MVP7]

Why everybody seems to be so strongly against elite Uruk-Hai in the mod

[MVP7]

From what I have red and seen, the first ones were superior to the rest. Although I can't remember for certain. If I'm not wrong it was told in book called Weapons and Armies of Middle Earth or something like that. I'll post a link if I find something about it...

Edit: The English name of the book I mentioned might be Lord of the Rings: Weapons and Warfare. Don't own it myself so can't be certain

[A1_Unit]

From what I have red and seen, the first ones were superior to the rest. Although I can't remember for certain. If I'm not wrong it was told in book called Weapons and Armies of Middle Earth or something like that. I'll post a link if I find something about it...

That's right, the first batch of uruks were the best. So that means the scouts seen at Amon Hen must have been the best uruks ever created. These need to made into an elite unit.

[MVP7]

That's right, the first batch of uruks were the best. So that means the scouts seen at Amon Hen must have been the best uruks ever created. These need to made into an elite unit.

Agreed. If anyone finds some kind of quote about this, please post it here.

[rsslcs]

It's a good idea and Isengard could do with another elite unit, but they already have beserkers which are awesome.

[Kadorn]

Taken from Weapons and Warfare book:

"This first batch would have had time to grow to full strength and develope their skills. Those that came after may have been weaker due to thier enforced, accelerated growth....."
.....
"the uruks (the ones at amon hen) trusted with this task would have been an elite force....instead of heavy plate......stripped down to just light,leather travelling armour"

bit more from the book:
"their training extended to fighting in a more reactive way."
It notes that many of them carried both bow and sword but were lightly armoured.

So I it would be nice to create an additional unit (i think raiders should be kept as they are) which has both bow as sword, has low armour (but high defensive skill) and has pretty good stats all round.

[Jean=A=Luc]

Use some common sense ffs. Uruk Raiders simply represent a lighter, lower-tier "scout" type of unit, hence the name. They're not tied to any specific segment of either book or movie lore.

There's nothing more to it.

[MVP7]

Use some common sense ffs. Uruk Raiders simply represent a lighter, lower-tier "scout" type of unit, hence the name. They're not tied to any specific segment of either book or movie lore.

Well that doesn't prevent those first 200 from being elite uruks does it? And so they could be added to mod in some patch.

I don't mind having lower-tier ukuks in the game as it adds some nice variety. Nevertheless, they are a kind of lore-breaker unit. Saruman shouldn't have so much so poor quality Uruk-Hai at so early point in campaing. I mean, they weren't ment to be scouts or medium quality infantry, that stuff can easily be done by some normal orcs or humans.

If Uruk-Hai Raiders were hired in smaller units and their skills improved a bit they would fit in much better.

How does Lurz being a movie character make it impossible to have him in this mod Withwnar

By the way, thanks for quotes Kadorn and welcome to forums

[Jean=A=Luc]

they are a kind of lore-breaker unit.

They're not a lore-breaker unit because the Uruk Raiders in the game have nothing to do with what you're talking about in this thread.

[MVP7]

They're not a lore-breaker unit because the Uruk Raiders in the game have nothing to do with what you're talking about in this thread.

I'm talking about timeline, they appear many years before they should (right?) and are low quality, unlike they should be.

And I just mentioned that I know it's only a small lore-breaker and it would be stupid to first be able to hire the best Uruk-Hai units.... Unless their unit size was greatly reduced.

[Plumo]

About the quality of the Uruks. Isengard should have the choice whether to create bunches of uruks, but medium quality or only a slowly replenishment of elite uruks.

Remember the races in Rome total war? Change it into production speed.