The United States and isolationism.

**Oberbefehlshaber** · May 29, 2009, 01:09 AM

The United States has been patheticaly trying to police the world since at least the start of the Cold War. It seems that all the united states has accomplished in their anit-isolationist policies is a 9/11, a vietnam, two wars in Iraq, seething anti-Americanism, and many other unnecessary blunders, militarily and economicaly. Now, this ongoing thing with Isreal is going to lead to some sort of conflict with Iran in probably a year or less (not to mention North Korea). Think about everyone around the world and their reasons for hating America, it is all because the US stuck their nose where it dident belong so to speak, in one form or another. What if the US just went back to their isolationist roots. Would it really be that bad, what is going to happen to Isreal is going to happen to Isreal, if you know what I mean. The US thinks they can just fix things like economy, by bailing out car companies when they are going to go under anyway. The US should let the chips fall where they may because they are going to anyway, and when they land at least the US and their people wont have a massive headache.

**Aetius** · May 29, 2009, 01:20 AM

Yes.

People will say later on in this thread that isolationism is naive or radical, however we are only one country spread too thin. The American Empire is a reality, not a joke. Military bases thoughout the planet, our armed forces actually engaged in distant countries for idealogical and profit reasons (for the rich). Always more causes for more wars and more taxes and more laws and more spending.

Discussion about true peace, less taxes, less regulation, and saving are nearly non-existent within the federal government.

The USA is steadily losing sight of the principles it was founded on, and it it really makes me sad.

**Oberbefehlshaber** · May 29, 2009, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by Aetius

Yes.

People will say later on in this thread that isolationism is naive or radical, however we are only one country spread too thin. The American Empire is a reality, not a joke. Military bases thoughout the planet, our armed forces actually engaged in distant countries for idealogical and profit reasons (for the rich). Always more causes for more wars and more taxes and more laws and more spending.

Discussion about true peace, less taxes, less regulation, and saving are nearly non-existent within the federal government.

The USA is steadily losing sight of the principles it was founded on, and it it really makes me sad.

I'm glad your with me, but your right about what people will say later on. America has been in afghanistan for about eight years now and what do they have to show for it. Some would say the US probably prevented another terrorist attack, but that is naive because you could say that Clinton was just as successful in preventing one after the attack on the world trade center in the early 90s. It seems that with every foreign policy decison the US makes the cons consume the pros.

**Jubal_Barca** · May 29, 2009, 01:58 AM

America can go back to isolationism, but after it has satisfactorily extricated itself from some of the problems it is in now. It has a duty to seal off some of the messes it has begun before withdrawing... America is a major world power and needs to remember that; it is a position of great responsibility. It may well be, though, that this can best be achieved by a less military and more diplomatic or economic approach.

**Oberbefehlshaber** · May 29, 2009, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by Jubal_Barca

America can go back to isolationism, but after it has satisfactorily extricated itself from some of the problems it is in now. It has a duty to seal off some of the messes it has begun before withdrawing... America is a major world power and needs to remember that; it is a position of great responsibility. It may well be, though, that this can best be achieved by a less military and more diplomatic or economic approach.

What are these lose ends you speak of? I cant think of any situation where the US wouldent be better off just pulling out now. Trying to seal off their messes is what the US has been trying to do the last couple decades, and they have failed miserably. I say its better to just cut your loses, and if your loses are human lifes (like in afghanistan) , in the real world, evidently, that cant be helped. I dont think responsibility is an issue here.

**Jubal_Barca** · May 29, 2009, 02:28 AM

America started in Afghanistan, and they should damn well see it out IMO. To not do so would be a betrayal of all the soldiers who have died to buy this country its freedom, a total mess as the country is plunged into turmil and retaken by the Taleban, and a terrible message to send out to the world. MAJOR strategic changes are needed, I know, but somehow America has a duty there to not run off home.

**Jubal_Barca** · May 29, 2009, 03:09 AM

I'm not quite so pessimistic. The US should have the brains. They damn well definitely have the resources...

Also, while an end to military interventionism is on the cards, nations as powerful as the USA can't forget foreign policy. They and the rest of the world are too integral to each other.

**Oberbefehlshaber** · May 29, 2009, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by Jubal_Barca

I'm not quite so pessimistic. The US should have the brains. They damn well definitely have the resources...

Also, while an end to military interventionism is on the cards, nations as powerful as the USA can't forget foreign policy. They and the rest of the world are too integral to each other.

The fact is the US doesent have the brains. (no matter how much you or I want them to) If the US does not accept isolationism, then they have to accept that a 9/11 will happen from time to time and not blame the terrorists for something that was the United States fault in the first place. (like terrorists hate us because of our freedom, haha what a joke. They hate us because we bomb their villages and vaporize half of their family.)

**Jubal_Barca** · May 29, 2009, 03:44 AM

The US does have some damn smart people, just doesn't listen to them. That's why thier military, when doing a massive trainign excerise before Iraq, got its ass had by the retired marine playing Saddam.

**Pious Agnost** · May 29, 2009, 03:47 AM

The United States was never really isolationist, it was non-interventionist.

I wish they'd return to that. God knows what would happen if they returned to the former

**Oberbefehlshaber** · May 29, 2009, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by Alakasam

The United States was never really isolationist, it was non-interventionist.

Its basically the same: one does not become involved therefore he is isolated. (I suppose non-interventionist is more appropriate however, since the US traded with other nations.) (I kind of just contradicted myself)