No Religion for the "Good"?

[IronFaust]

Love this mod, but i dont really understand why only the "evil" factions have a religion (The Dark Lord), and can have invasions called forth from "Melkor's Cesspools" (coined by my friend who introduced to this). why is it culture against the evil religion, I do remember from the books the peoples of middle earth in different regions worshipping the light of the Valar, shouldnt they have some type "religious mobilization" to counter the invasions/crusades, kind of like the jihaads in MTW2, i am no good at modding and do not want to sound like i am putting down this mod which i have a great respect for. is it something that is just too hard to work into the mod? any comments would be appreciated

[miniwally]

Then they'd all need to be the same culture

[Subzeroplainzero]

the good factions in middle earth at this time were not as unified as the evil ones. Plus it adds to the danger. The goodies need to be the underdogs. More fun that way

[Adlarac]

I bet the good side will see somethng interesting in a future update. The devs have made it clear they don't want ideas or suggestions because they already have too much planned.

[James the Red]

Since the Good factions have culture buildings, I still think they should get Illuvatar Temples, except have them not give culture bonuses, increased happiness or better moral or something.

[Hallow]

Since the Good factions have culture buildings, I still think they should get Illuvatar Temples, except have them not give culture bonuses, increased happiness or better moral or something.

I dont think anyone built temples to Eru in the third age. The last I can remember in the books is the one In Numenor.

[Skeleton Of The West]

Good factions dont have one religion that includes all of them is because they were not unified, some good factions did not have good relations. Another point is that good factions does have different cultures, not all of them have the same culture.

All the evil factions are under the same culture because they all followed Sauron, and that was the only thing that they cared about.

[Aikanár]

I dont think anyone built temples to Eru in the third age. The last I can remember in the books is the one In Numenor.

I second that, it's the only one btw. we know of off the writings of JRRT.
Religion of the Eruhini is a totally private thing and the only exception was the named temple, which
actually was not a temple, but a flat spot on the Meneltarma, and it is only thus, because of the Núme-
noreans remembering that their land was a gift of the Valar, sanctioned by Eru and possibly because of
the abjurement of the forefathers of the Númenoreans of Eru and their downfall.
In all other cases it is more believe then religion and no one of the Eruhini actually did go to temples, save
the ones that were corrupted.

[Hallow]

I second that, it's the only one btw. we know of off the writings of JRRT.
Religion of the Eruhini is a totally private thing and the only exception was the named temple, which
actually was not a temple, but a flat spot on the Meneltarma, and it is only thus, because of the Núme-
noreans remembering that their land was a gift of the Valar, sanctioned by Eru and possibly because of
the abjurement of the forefathers of the Númenoreans of Eru and their downfall.
In all other cases it is more believe then religion and no one of the Eruhini actually did go to temples, save
the ones that were corrupted.

You are of course, totally correct. Worship of Eru was not like say Christianity or other organized religions irl. You prayed to Eru privatley if you so wish, probably because Eru did not require you to do anything to get into "heaven". Numenoreans probs constructed the "temple" as you said to remind themselves that Eru made their land.

Also like the story of Miriel climbing the slopes of the mountain to get to the top and pray for forgiveness when the island was sinking after Ar-Pharazon was crushed by the land in Valinor.

[James the Red]

I dont think anyone built temples to Eru in the third age. The last I can remember in the books is the one In Numenor.

Just because they weren't mentioned doesn't mean there were none. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

There are known knowns. but there are known unknowns.
There are also unknown unknowns, things we don't know that we don't know!

[Aikanár]

Just because they weren't mentioned doesn't mean there were none. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

There are known knowns. but there are known unknowns.
There are also unknown unknowns, things we don't know that we don't know!

But JRRT did mention expressis verbis his thoughts of how faith or believe worked for the Eruhini,
and in it, there was no need for temples. Temples and religion to JRRT were things contributed to
the Morgoth and the beings he corrupted, not to the faithful.

[Pope Gregorius I]

But JRRT did mention expressis verbis his thoughts of how faith or believe worked for the Eruhini,
and in it, there was no need for temples. Temples and religion to JRRT were things contributed to
the Morgoth and the beings he corrupted, not to the faithful.

interesting that he would think that way, as he was a very devout Catholic in this world.

[IronFaust]

but they could still have the all inclusive "light", as opposed to the Pope figure that the dark lord represents, since all the races in Arna were made by the song, and Melkor isnt a creator deity (nor is he a diety at all, maybe an evil Maia)

[Hallow]

but they could still have the all inclusive "light", as opposed to the Pope figure that the dark lord represents, since all the races in Arna were made by the song, and Melkor isnt a creator deity (nor is he a diety at all, maybe an evil Maia)

He is most certainly a diety, he is by far the strongest of all the valar (Originally) making Eru the only individual stronger than him, though that is by a fair bit.

Also at Skeleton of the West, the only religion for the good people was worship of the Valar And Eru.

[sirfiggin]

he was of the valar

[IronFaust]

wasnt his power taken from him when farfimbulfalidongwod made the simirils, and he he hid for those many years, i mean yah compared to the corporal races he was neigh unstopable, but he defeated other valaar by outsmarting them

[Aikanár]

wasnt his power taken from him when farfimbulfalidongwod made the simirils, and he he hid for those many years, i mean yah compared to the corporal races he was neigh unstopable, but he defeated other valaar by outsmarting them

You mean Féanor I guess

And no, Melkor lost his genuin valarin power, which was in the beginning by far greater then the power of
other Valar of Arda combined, by marring the very matter of Arda, if not Ea. This means he tried -and was
successful in accomplishing it in a way- to get a grip of all the matter of the Solar System if not the Universe,
in order to become the master of Arda, if not Ea. By this he diminished his own power thus becomming Morgoth.

[mrhenrik]

Just because they weren't mentioned doesn't mean there were none. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

There are known knowns. but there are known unknowns.
There are also unknown unknowns, things we don't know that we don't know!

*confused*

I like it the way it is now though, the good guys are underdogs. Also, I really can't see elves and dwarves being of the same kind.

[James the Red]

*confused*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f27So...eature=related

Anyways, I think you guys are right, upon some thought, the good guys probably had sacred places, were they may have been shrines to respect Eru illuvatar.

Any 'temples' that they had were probably buildings dedicated to Illuvatar at sacred places.


(like pagans in real life, like the mainland Saxons had a sacred tree that somebody, I think the Romans, cut down, and the Greeks 2nd most important oracle was a tree that was said to occasionally contain the spirit of Zeus. And the Celts had sacred lakes and stuff too, etc...)

[IronFaust]

what did i say lol, its been a while, i guess this topic overlaps the "call to arms" topic more than anything else, but i do think i have a point, i think it woudl be kind of cool to have a building (for the life of me i have i know idea what it would be, which might have been the reason the creators didnt include it) that could train agents specifically to introduce the good religion, like the wizards, Saruman was an anomoly in the fact that he was evil (not entirely a servant of Sauron in the books if i remember corerctly, he just couldnt hope to control the ring/palantir) but the "white wizard was simply the most powerful of them. which Mithrandir later became, kind of like a good version of the dark lord?