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    Default Why are child molesters given solitary in prison?

    Apparently child molesters/killers are separated from the general population in prison since they will probably be brutalized. I disagree with this. They need to feel that same fear and vulnerability of the children they harm, and this way there is some vengeance being carried out. Solitary is too kind.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Biggs View Post
    Apparently child molesters/killers are separated from the general population in prison since they will probably be brutalized. I disagree with this. They need to feel that same fear and vulnerability of the children they harm, and this way there is some vengeance being carried out. Solitary is too kind.
    the law system is about justice not revenge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    the law system is about justice not revenge
    Technically justice would be exacting an equal punishment to be equal to the crime committed. Yes he was put away, so are common thieves, but the scale of which they deserve to be punished is different. For a heinous crime such as stated by the original poster, the punishment shouldn't be simple solitary imprisonment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maikeru View Post
    Technically justice would be exacting an equal punishment to be equal to the crime committed. Yes he was put away, so are common thieves, but the scale of which they deserve to be punished is different. For a heinous crime such as stated by the original poster, the punishment shouldn't be simple solitary imprisonment.

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    So someone older than the Paedo should butt rape him?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Biggs View Post
    Apparently child molesters/killers are separated from the general population in prison since they will probably be brutalized. I disagree with this. They need to feel that same fear and vulnerability of the children they harm, and this way there is some vengeance being carried out. Solitary is too kind.
    I recognise your need to exact retribution on such vile people, but.

    1) That would encourage more criminal behaviour through violence.. Meaning more taxes spent on housing the violent behaviour of the guy exacting the revenge coming out of YOUR pocket, not to mention Medical bills etc.

    2) Were better than that, we'd just be sinking to their level if we resort to animal behaviour ourselves in using violence or encouraging it.
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    Personally, I like my revenge. An eye for an eye sounds okay with me, as long as the evidence against the criminal is pretty conclusive. The death penalty should be allowed. Why should the tax payer pay for a criminal to live? Sure, they pay more to kill him, but at least it's done to get rid of them, not to keep them alive.

    As for child molestation? In my eyes, that is one of the worst crimes you can commit. I would only be leient IF it can be proven that the criminal did not know what he was doing. Otherwise, no mercy.

    And don't go on about it being "Medieval". Yes, it is Medieval. The people who commited these crimes forfieted their right to live in a modern civilized society when they commited the crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cottontail View Post
    And don't go on about it being "Medieval". Yes, it is Medieval. The people who commited these crimes forfieted their right to live in a modern civilized society when they commited the crime.
    Funny how you add 'civilized' to that, while at the same time preaching for us to go back to one of the most barbaric episodes of Western European history, 'justice'-wise.

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    Default Re: Why are child molesters given solitary in prison?

    Technically justice would be exacting an equal punishment to be equal to the crime committed. Yes he was put away, so are common thieves, but the scale of which they deserve to be punished is different. For a heinous crime such as stated by the original poster, the punishment shouldn't be simple solitary imprisonment.
    Certain powers shouldn't be given to government. The power to inflict cruel and unusual punishment on it's citizens falls squarely into that category. If government can't be trusted to run a car company, I certainly wouldn't want it in the business of sphincter enlargement.

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    Default Re: Why are child molesters given solitary in prison?

    Waste of money either way.

    Should just take em outside and put a bullet in their head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NONOPUST View Post
    Waste of money either way.

    Should just take em outside and put a bullet in their head.
    Would you be able to pull the trigger?

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    Default Re: Why are child molesters given solitary in prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Leary View Post
    Would you be able to pull the trigger?
    Abso-ing-lutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NONOPUST View Post
    Abso-ing-lutely.
    There are so many pedophiles out in the open. Go on then, become a vigilante.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Leary View Post
    Would you be able to pull the trigger?
    Yes.

    That said, they would have to be conclusively guilty.
    It would be rather amusing if in two years time, they find out the guy didn't do it.

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    Default Re: Why are child molesters given solitary in prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Leary View Post
    Would you be able to pull the trigger?
    I would pull the trigger without a second thought.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CtrlAltDe1337 View Post
    I would pull the trigger without a second thought.
    Then you'd be a murder. So not only would you be Immoral, you'd be more Immoral then a pedophile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NONOPUST View Post
    Waste of money either way.

    Should just take em outside and put a bullet in their head.
    Child molestors?

    That's not always a punishment fitting the crime, bud.

    18 year old guy touching a 15 year old girl. Worth an execution?
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    Default Re: Why are child molesters given solitary in prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by Justice and Mercy View Post
    Child molestors?

    That's not always a punishment fitting the crime, bud.

    18 year old guy touching a 15 year old girl. Worth an execution?
    I think he was referring to when if goes from rape to murder, cases like Levi Belfield for example.

    As for when molestation is and isn't molestation, that's up to the law if the law says 16 is the age of consent and someone takes advantage of a 15 year then yes he's guilty, there has to be some cut of point whether it 15, 16, 17 or 18.

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    So 18 year old guy who has sex with his 15 year old girlfriend is a child molestor.

    But as long as he was 17 everything was fine but after his 18th birthday
    police will arest him for child molesting?


    Quote Originally Posted by Justice and Mercy View Post
    That's an idiotic saying.

    If it would make the whole world blind, that means half the people are criminals and half are victims.

    Without eye for an eye standards in this case, only the victims are blind, and the criminals are fine.
    The saying means that it will create a circle of violence with everyone screaming for revenge.

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    Default Re: Why are child molesters given solitary in prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie View Post
    I think he was referring to when if goes from rape to murder, cases like Levi Belfield for example.

    As for when molestation is and isn't molestation, that's up to the law if the law says 16 is the age of consent and someone takes advantage of a 15 year then yes he's guilty, there has to be some cut of point whether it 15, 16, 17 or 18.
    what about lieing "yer im 16". Girls can make themselves look alot older easyer then boys can and also if you throw in a factor like alcohol. It would very unfair to the guy. I agree there should be a cut off point but rather then a set age is should be how many years apart they are from each other. Teens ing Teens so long as both of them agree isnt really that bad or anything new. even if they are a few years apart. Remember pubity hits everyone differently. You could have a very undevloped 16/17 year old boy, personally if he and his 14 year old girl friend want to "get it on" i dont see the problem. My point is we shouldnt have a blank cut off age which doesnt use common sense or look at each case by its merits. common sense should be used.

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    Default Re: Why are child molesters given solitary in prison?

    Quote Originally Posted by Justice and Mercy View Post
    Child molestors?

    That's not always a punishment fitting the crime, bud.

    18 year old guy touching a 15 year old girl. Worth an execution?
    Hey bud. That's a gray area defined and scrutinized by our current society. But that isn't what I mean. Notice the word Child. A 15 year old is not a child. Besides even now that's not called child molesting, it's called statutory rape, which definetely gets out of hand sometimes.

    I'm talking about young children being molested, and being scarred for the rest of their life for it. An innocent child, the future of our world. And because of his/her perverted nature he/she destroys a part of that.

    Sure let's put him a psych ward. We can cure them. Ya? How many times do these sick s go back out and do it again?

    There will always be gray areas where we just would'nt know. I'm talking about the definite cases, wheres there's no doubt. They should be executed. Same with murderers.

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    Default Re: Why are child molesters given solitary in prison?

    In the UK, nonces, go onto a protection wing in the prison along with all the others that are what they call 'vulnerable prisoners' e.g cons in prison debt, cons who've been attacked, even cons who might be well known in the outside world, ex police etc.

    The reason they're segregated to protect them is because the prison has a duty of care to the prisoners, so they're supposed to keep them from being physically harmed whilst in their custody.

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