Diplomat problems... kinda...

**Oddball_E8** · May 24, 2009, 04:50 PM

Ok, so i am playing as High elves and im allied to all the good factions, with great relations to all...
but after crushing isengard i had all my generals scattered when i get attacked by OotMM so i send out an army without a general...
and they are promptly bribed by Dwarves!
and then a turn after that i loose one of my bridge-blocker forces on the outskirts of my empire to a rohan diplomat that bribes them!

this completely destroyed any kind of immersion that i had...

is there some way to stop diplomats from bribing armies?
it just seems very strange that High Elves get bribed by rohan and dwarves... not like High Elves are lusting for gold you know...

**Vaul** · May 24, 2009, 04:56 PM

It's the dev team's fault. They made all the low level elven units jealous of the Eldar armour...

**Oddball_E8** · May 24, 2009, 04:59 PM

yeah? well these were top of the line troops... cost me a fortune to build...

**Vaul** · May 24, 2009, 05:02 PM

I had a similar problem, but not to such an extent. If I might, I'd also like to add to your objection the desertion occurrence. It's much too frequent, I lost 10 elven lancer units in 2 turns

it took them 2 turns to flee for their lives and betray the elven people...

great merciless gods...

**Oddball_E8** · May 24, 2009, 05:19 PM

i think bribery should be turned off for this mod (or at least tuned down immensly)...

its not that i dont think mordor and isenguard could bribe the "good" nations or anything, but when humans start bribing elves its just going a bit off-lore... wich apparantly is a big no-no in this mod...

**JonSnow** · May 24, 2009, 05:37 PM

Elves should have a trait which gives 10 loyalty and decrease to chance to bribe.. while dwarves should have again 10 loyalty and increase to chance to bribe (so they rebel less but are still bribable). Orcs... not bribable just because they would never betray Sauron so openly and nobody would try to bribe them, plus they had little use for money though some (mostly OotMM) appreciated treasure. Numenorians should also be unbribable, they could only be corrupted through the use of powerful magics (IE: the rings of power) and men.. mmm no change perhaps might be best for standard men, maybe +1 loyalty.

**Oddball_E8** · May 24, 2009, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by JonSnow

Elves should have a trait which gives 10 loyalty and decrease to chance to bribe.. while dwarves should have again 10 loyalty and increase to chance to bribe (so they rebel less but are still bribable). Orcs... not bribable just because they would never betray Sauron so openly and nobody would try to bribe them, plus they had little use for money though some (mostly OotMM) appreciated treasure. Numenorians should also be unbribable, they could only be corrupted through the use of powerful magics (IE: the rings of power) and men.. mmm no change perhaps might be best for standard men, maybe +1 loyalty.

still wouldnt stop the bribery of armies without generals (wich is my main problem here)

**Haldir** · May 24, 2009, 05:44 PM

Simple answer to the diplomats: Assassins
Keep them close to your armies and if you happen to spot any diplomats, just kill them. Not a great way to make friends, granted, but if you have the never ending alliance mod thingy then you can balance it with tributes. To be quite honest, I haven't come under many issues with bribery, so my advice is probably best if you do the opposite