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    Default Does the United States need to expand territorially?

    Does the United States need to expand territorially to maintain strong influence? I mean it is already a pretty weak state compared to the European Union, Russia, and China wield far more influence. Does it need to expand through an American Union or the Military takeover of land to maintain relevancy?

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    Default Re: Does the United States need to expand territorially?

    Neither the EU, Russia or China wield more influence than the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobolight View Post
    Does the United States need to expand territorially to maintain strong influence? I mean it is already a pretty weak state compared to the European Union, Russia, and China wield far more influence. Does it need to expand through an American Union or the Military takeover of land to maintain relevancy?
    questions:

    1) shouldnt this be in the academy?

    2) why do you think the USA today is 'in a pretty weak state' comapred to the EU, russia(lulz) and China?

    3) why is it necessary to maintian 'relevancy' like some needle dicked eurocrapt?

    4) how valid would it be if any country, not just the USA invaded another country and claimed it as their own territory? would the UN recognize it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    questions:

    1) shouldnt this be in the academy?

    2) why do you think the USA today is 'in a pretty weak state' comapred to the EU, russia(lulz) and China?

    3) why is it necessary to maintian 'relevancy' like some needle dicked eurocrapt?

    4) how valid would it be if any country, not just the USA invaded another country and claimed it as their own territory? would the UN recognize it?
    1) What makes things go to the mudpit or the academy?

    2) The US has such high debt and needs to show the world that it is capable of doing anything. Russia is incredibly strong compared to US.

    3) Countries must maintain relevancy for it's citizens to have a high standard of living unless it is like Norway or Japan and just "economies" everything

    4) countries take over each other all the time.

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    Default Re: Does the United States need to expand territorially?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tobolight View Post
    1) What makes things go to the mudpit or the academy?

    2) The US has such high debt and needs to show the world that it is capable of doing anything. Russia is incredibly strong compared to US.

    3) Countries must maintain relevancy for it's citizens to have a high standard of living unless it is like Norway or Japan and just "economies" everything

    4) countries take over each other all the time.
    1) mudpit threads talk about current news events, academy talks about political theory, much like this 'should the USA expand territorially'?

    2) invading another country for territorial gain inst going to go down well with america's friends or the UN

    3) can u pls elaborate on how countries must maintian relevancy for its citizens to have a high standard of living? this is a very EU driven misconception.

    4) it's not as easy as it was 100 yrs ago. countries and world opinion counts consideirng how itererelated the world economy is.

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    Default Re: Does the United States need to expand territorially?

    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    3) can u pls elaborate on how countries must maintian relevancy for its citizens to have a high standard of living? this is a very EU driven misconception.
    can you please explain why thats an EU driven mosconception? - look at Sweden or Switzerland, two countrys with very high standard of living and yet neither are overly relevant on a world stage

    Quote Originally Posted by Tobolight View Post
    They don't need to do much they could take over Newfoundland, Costa Rica, Greenland or Canada where it wouldn't be hard due to small population or lack of military, They could elevate Puerto Rico or Guam to the status of state, they could even form a formal American Union with Mexico and Canada. I mean they are pretty much worthless now, they need to do something to maintain power or else Russian, EU, China, Brazil, and India will overshadow it.
    why does a nation need to conquer to be seen as powerfull, and why do you assume the rest of the world wouldn't object at this behaviour

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    It's all about how gots the most power and mony,all great contries want to be a part of it,so you fight for oil ?
    Amercia doesn't exist that long olmost 300 years and look at it know,only with politics it can gain more power and influence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobolight View Post
    Does the United States need to expand territorially to maintain strong influence? I mean it is already a pretty weak state compared to the European Union, Russia, and China wield far more influence. Does it need to expand through an American Union or the Military takeover of land to maintain relevancy?
    No.

    The US, as stated by other posts, is more influential then the EU, Russia, and China.

    There are other threads that have China and Israel ignoring the EU. Israel would never do that to the US if it wanted to have world support.

    China may own us in terms of money, but their economy depends on the US and vice-versa.

    Russia is just in a world of hurt already.

    And if the US felt like expanding, it could take Canada and Mexico in a few months.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tobolight View Post
    1) What makes things go to the mudpit or the academy?

    2) The US has such high debt and needs to show the world that it is capable of doing anything. Russia is incredibly strong compared to US.

    3) Countries must maintain relevancy for it's citizens to have a high standard of living unless it is like Norway or Japan and just "economies" everything

    4) countries take over each other all the time.
    1. Political theory in the abstract, which is what this is, goes in the Academy. Person or events come here.

    2. The rest of the world is in just as much trouble. Russia is no longer the CCCP and is trying to get its bloc and power back, while the US is not.

    3. Don't those two countries have high suicide rates? But the point is, what is "relevancy" as you are using it? To the world or what?
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    Default Re: Does the United States need to expand territorially?

    We're weak compared to the EU? They're not even an actual country yet.

    Russia? Are you serious?

    China? Not really

    To give the OP a straight answer to his question...nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    They're not even an actual country yet.
    Let's hope we never are. I don't want to heil the Euroführer, eat Eurosausages for breakfast, speak Eurolandish and be reminded of how Eurowonderful life is in Euroland.

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    Default Re: Does the United States need to expand territorially?

    Actually the US has lost territory since 1948 yet gained power... hmmm...

    (we lost the Philippines, Cuba and a lot of little Pacific Islands)
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    Default Re: Does the United States need to expand territorially?

    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    Actually the US has lost territory since 1948 yet gained power... hmmm...

    (we lost the Philippines, Cuba and a lot of little Pacific Islands)
    I would like to add Puerto Rico to that list, sir!

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    No.Malta yes.Trinidad & Tobago yes.Andorra perhaps.But US Nope

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldgamer View Post
    I would like to add Puerto Rico to that list, sir!
    I lived all my life in PR until this year, and last time I heard it was still a U.S territory under the supervision of congress. Also my passport is still american

    On if the US should expand territorially, I don't think in modern times you gain power by directly annexing territories. It's way more efficient to heavily influence the desired teritory and it's resources, and that's what the US has been doing for the last century and a half. I think it has worked well for them.

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    Default Re: Does the United States need to expand territorially?

    US can't even defaet taliban - how will they ever conquer new lands?

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    Default Re: Does the United States need to expand territorially?

    Quote Originally Posted by Volh Vseslavich View Post
    US can't even defaet taliban - how will they ever conquer new lands?
    Well Costa Rica doesn't have an army so in theory all you need is one guy with a gun to plant the US flag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volh Vseslavich View Post
    US can't even defaet taliban - how will they ever conquer new lands?
    Taliban isn't a country... That makes it so much harder

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volh Vseslavich View Post
    US can't even defaet taliban - how will they ever conquer new lands?
    They don't need to do much they could take over Newfoundland, Costa Rica, Greenland or Canada where it wouldn't be hard due to small population or lack of military, They could elevate Puerto Rico or Guam to the status of state, they could even form a formal American Union with Mexico and Canada. I mean they are pretty much worthless now, they need to do something to maintain power or else Russian, EU, China, Brazil, and India will overshadow it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobolight View Post
    They don't need to do much they could take over Newfoundland, Costa Rica, Greenland or Canada where it wouldn't be hard due to small population or lack of military,
    Invade Costa Rica and you've just pissed off the rest of Central/South America, invade Greenland and its the same with Europe/EU, as its part of Denmark and invade Canada you've likely pissed off the entire rest of the world including UK and Australia and India and all the other Commonwealth countries.

    You'd have a bit more land but you would'nt be very popular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobolight View Post
    They don't need to do much they could take over Newfoundland, Costa Rica, Greenland or Canada where it wouldn't be hard due to small population or lack of military, They could elevate Puerto Rico or Guam to the status of state, they could even form a formal American Union with Mexico and Canada. I mean they are pretty much worthless now, they need to do something to maintain power or else Russian, EU, China, Brazil, and India will overshadow it.
    If US military can't defeat a bunch of militants in afghan mountains, than they have no chance against professional military in Canada (don't know about Mexico). Also most of NATo would support Canada if war would ever happen and US would most likely get pwned.

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