i need help traits and threshold

[permanent666]

what is my goal: i want that there is a chance (will change the chance in the first trigger to another value after testing) that charcters can receive the trait callofthewild if they end their turn not in a settlement. afterwards they have to stay in the "wild" for 4 turns to get the trait ranger - (ignore the next trait level "guerillafighter").
when theymove back in town they should loose the chance to become a ranger and get some negativ attributes (which i still have to decide)


ok here is my trait:

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Trait Ranger
Characters family
ExcludeCultures eastern_european, southern_european, greek, middle_eastern
NoGoingBackLevel 3

Level test
Description test_desc
EffectsDescription test_effects_desc
Threshold 1

Effect Ambush -1

Level callofthewild
Description callofthewild_desc
EffectsDescription callofthewild_effects_desc
Threshold 2

Effect Ambush 1

Level Ranger
Description Ranger_desc
EffectsDescription Ranger_effects_desc
Threshold 6

Effect Ambush 2
Effect TaxCollection -5
Effect LocalPopularity 1
Effect Loyalty -2
Effect Trading -5
Effect MovementPoints 5

Level Guerillafighter
Description Guerillafighter_desc
EffectsDescription Guerillafighter_effects_desc
Threshold 12

Effect Ambush 3

the triggers:

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Trigger callofthewild
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition not EndedInSettlement
and isGeneral
and Trait Ranger = 0

Affects Ranger 2 Chance 100
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Trigger Ranger
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition not EndedInSettlement
and isGeneral
and Trait Ranger > 1
and Trait Ranger < 6


Affects Ranger 1 Chance 100
;------------------------------------------
Trigger Ranger_minus1
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition EndedInSettlement
and isGeneral
and Trait Ranger = 2

Affects Ranger -1 Chance 100
;------------------------------------------
Trigger Ranger_minus2
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition EndedInSettlement
and isGeneral
and Trait Ranger = 3

Affects Ranger -2 Chance 100
;------------------------------------------
Trigger Ranger_minus2
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition EndedInSettlement
and isGeneral
and Trait Ranger = 4

Affects Ranger -3 Chance 100
;------------------------------------------
Trigger Ranger_minus4
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition EndedInSettlement
and isGeneral
and Trait Ranger = 5

Affects Ranger -4 Chance 100

i have two problems:

the first problem is that the characters don't sty at ranger level when i move them back to the settlements. i guess it has something to do with the threshold but i'm not sure - NoGoingBackLevel doesn't work either.

the second problem is that endedinsettlement don't count in the same turn as i move them in - it needs one more turn that callofthewild switches back to test

[konny]

Use an anti-trait instead of negative values. MinusX can cause problems and somehow doesn't work properly when you want a trait to go up and down one level.

something else:

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Trigger Ranger
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition not EndedInSettlement
and isGeneral
and Trait Ranger > 1
and Trait Ranger < 6


Affects Ranger 1 Chance 100
;------------------------------------------
Trigger Ranger_minus4
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition EndedInSettlement
and isGeneral
and Trait Ranger = 5

Affects Ranger -4 Chance 100

Your trait only has 4 levels.

[permanent666]

thank you - i thought this value is the threshold - i will give it a try

[Squid]

what is my goal: i want that there is a chance (will change the chance in the first trigger to another value after testing) that charcters can receive the trait callofthewild if they end their turn not in a settlement. afterwards they have to stay in the "wild" for 4 turns to get the trait ranger - (ignore the next trait level "guerillafighter").
when theymove back in town they should loose the chance to become a ranger and get some negativ attributes (which i still have to decide)


ok here is my trait:

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Trait Ranger
Characters family
ExcludeCultures eastern_european, southern_european, greek, middle_eastern
NoGoingBackLevel 3

Level test
Description test_desc
EffectsDescription test_effects_desc
Threshold 1

Effect Ambush -1

Level callofthewild
Description callofthewild_desc
EffectsDescription callofthewild_effects_desc
Threshold 2

Effect Ambush 1

Level Ranger
Description Ranger_desc
EffectsDescription Ranger_effects_desc
Threshold 6

Effect Ambush 2
Effect TaxCollection -5
Effect LocalPopularity 1
Effect Loyalty -2
Effect Trading -5
Effect MovementPoints 5

Level Guerillafighter
Description Guerillafighter_desc
EffectsDescription Guerillafighter_effects_desc
Threshold 12

Effect Ambush 3

the triggers:

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Trigger callofthewild
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition not EndedInSettlement
and isGeneral
and Trait Ranger = 0

Affects Ranger 2 Chance 100
;------------------------------------------
Trigger Ranger
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition not EndedInSettlement
and isGeneral
and Trait Ranger > 1
and Trait Ranger < 6 ;<-Level of the trait, your trait has only 4


Affects Ranger 1 Chance 100 ;<- Points of a trait that count towards a threshold
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Trigger Ranger_minus1
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition EndedInSettlement
and isGeneral
and Trait Ranger = 2

Affects Ranger -1 Chance 100
;------------------------------------------
Trigger Ranger_minus2
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition EndedInSettlement
and isGeneral
and Trait Ranger = 3

Affects Ranger -2 Chance 100
;------------------------------------------
Trigger Ranger_minus2 ;duplicate trigger name to one above needs to be fixed
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition EndedInSettlement
and isGeneral
and Trait Ranger = 4

Affects Ranger -3 Chance 100
;------------------------------------------
Trigger Ranger_minus4
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd
Condition EndedInSettlement
and isGeneral
and Trait Ranger = 5

Affects Ranger -4 Chance 100

i have two problems:

the first problem is that the characters don't sty at ranger level when i move them back to the settlements. i guess it has something to do with the threshold but i'm not sure - NoGoingBackLevel doesn't work either.

the second problem is that endedinsettlement don't count in the same turn as i move them in - it needs one more turn that callofthewild switches back to test

NoGoingBackLevel only works with antitraits, if you are using negative points you will bypass the threshold, but at the cost of not losing the abilities of the level(s) lost.

The second problem is due to what I explain below, the first turn they end in the field they will get 3 points (2 from the first trigger + 1 from the second trigger) which puts them at level 2 threshold + 1 point extra. The third trigger which kicks in when you move them into a settlement removes 1 point (not one level) which leaves you with level 2 and no extra points, the second turn in the settlement will remove 1 more point which drops you to level 1.

Your major problem is you are confusing points and levels. The condition Trait X = Y is testing which level of a trait has been achieved (your trait has 4 levels), while the Affects Trait X Y Chance Z the Y refers to the number of points which is used to count towards a threshold of a level. For example your trait needs 6 points to get to level 3.