Outlining my politics.

[justicar5]

I am in favour of working class rights, emphasis on the working in that statement.

Imho, national insurance is just that, insurance, not a god given right to spend your life watching Trisha and mass producing kids.

Ok, and now what I would actually do about this: after your 'entitlement benefit' (i.e what your NI contribution entitles you to) well, there are many jobs which goverment cannot afford to do for example cleaning graffiti, etc. For your £60 a week it seems to me it would be fair to expect 2 days work out of you, cleaning up or w/e was necessary, or for you to attend the same amount of education/training, or do that much voluntary work. This would have a duel benefit, it would stop people like me going nuts with boredom when unemployed, and it would also stop claiming being a lifestyle choice.

Obviously, for the legitmetly disabled, these conditions would not apply, but all help would be offered to get them back into work if they where able (if not, then we would and should still support them)

[Yorkshireman]

I think the dole should be what it was originally designed for, a temporary fallback between jobs. There should be a set time for receiving it, after which your given a job. If you don't go, your benefits are stopped. There needs to be a certain amount of time allotted, for example, if your a well qualified proffesional, be it a mechanic or engineer or IT consultant etc, people should be given some time to find the job they've trained for or spent their lives doing.

But these bums that spend years claiming should be made to work or get no more aid off the state. Theres plenty of unskilled work around, obvious by the fact that hundreds of thousands have arrived from within the EU to do it.

At the moment my industry, construction, is suffering due to the reccession, contracts for big jobs are being cancelled left, right and centre. For the last few weeks I've had to go back to labouring for a mate who's a brickie. I have'nt done that for years but it pays the bills and gets me out on a weekend. (But my back hurts!)

[justicar5]

I think the dole should be what it was originally designed for, a temporary fallback between jobs. There should be a set time for receiving it, after which your given a job. If you don't go, your benefits are stopped. There needs to be a certain amount of time allotted, for example, if your a well qualified proffesional, be it a mechanic or engineer or IT consultant etc, people should be given some time to find the job they've trained for or spent their lives doing.

But these bums that spend years claiming should be made to work or get no more aid off the state. Theres plenty of unskilled work around, obvious by the fact that hundreds of thousands have arrived from within the EU to do it.

At the moment my industry, construction, is suffering due to the reccession, contracts for big jobs are being cancelled left, right and centre. For the last few weeks I've had to go back to labouring for a mate who's a brickie. I have'nt done that for years but it pays the bills and gets me out on a weekend. (But my back hurts!)

I am a CNC turner, but atm I put books in plastic sleeves etc for libaries in a big warehouse, (my god it's boring) when I was unemployed I did 1 day a week in 'training' (which btw was absolutley pointless I went in to get my forklift license renewd adn had to do 3 months of english qualifications I was due to do 4 months of maths but I got a job, all to do a 3 day course) and 2 days a week I did charity work ( I actually almost lost my benefit for doing voluntary work) It was as a drivers mate, something I had never done before, I figured it was something to add to the CV.

[Yorkshireman]

I generally try and do private jobs now, I'm really a groundworker/drainage etc but I can turn my hands to most jobs on a site, + I 've got all my tickets for most of the plant/machinery. People are just being careful with their money now and their not spending money on home improvements, hopefully it will pick up into summer. I'm lucky that virtually everybody I know is a tradesman of sorts, so I can usually find some work labouring for brickies, roofers or scaffolders when things are slow. At the end of the day sometimes you've just got to take the jobs until things pick up. I don't think I can even sign on now because I'm self employed, I'm not sure how it works these days.

I don't know much about engineering, I'd have thought there'd be less jobs in that industry every year, with stuff getting produced more cheaply abroad ?

[removeduser_487563287433]

I am in favour of working class rights, emphasis on the working in that statement.

Imho, national insurance is just that, insurance, not a god given right to spend your life watching Trisha and mass producing kids.

Ok, and now what I would actually do about this: after your 'entitlement benefit' (i.e what your NI contribution entitles you to) well, there are many jobs which goverment cannot afford to do for example cleaning graffiti, etc. For your £60 a week it seems to me it would be fair to expect 2 days work out of you, cleaning up or w/e was necessary, or for you to attend the same amount of education/training, or do that much voluntary work. This would have a duel benefit, it would stop people like me going nuts with boredom when unemployed, and it would also stop claiming being a lifestyle choice.

Obviously, for the legitmetly disabled, these conditions would not apply, but all help would be offered to get them back into work if they where able (if not, then we would and should still support them)

All for it. Enforcement would probably make it unpragmatic, though.

[Каие]

I am in favour of working class rights, emphasis on the working in that statement.

Imho, national insurance is just that, insurance, not a god given right to spend your life watching Trisha and mass producing kids.

Ok, and now what I would actually do about this: after your 'entitlement benefit' (i.e what your NI contribution entitles you to) well, there are many jobs which goverment cannot afford to do for example cleaning graffiti, etc. For your £60 a week it seems to me it would be fair to expect 2 days work out of you, cleaning up or w/e was necessary, or for you to attend the same amount of education/training, or do that much voluntary work. This would have a duel benefit, it would stop people like me going nuts with boredom when unemployed, and it would also stop claiming being a lifestyle choice.

Obviously, for the legitmetly disabled, these conditions would not apply, but all help would be offered to get them back into work if they where able (if not, then we would and should still support them)

Congratulations justicar! You've now embraced the Conservative manifesto. Working class rights included.

[Santini]

Congratulations justicar! You've now embraced the Conservative manifesto. Working class rights included.

Um, no.

[justicar5]

Congratulations justicar! You've now embraced the Conservative manifesto. Working class rights included.

some of it yes (but I still wouldn't trust them to organise a piss up in a brewery) , but it is also a Social democrat stance, but and here is my massive disagreement, the conservatives are in love with the private sector. The private sector is very good at what it does, inovting and making profits. What it does not do well, and you only have to look at the privatisation of NHS cleaning services, and the rise of MRSA to see what I mean, is maintaining infrastructure (another example of this is the collapse of rail track) What I want to see happen is the private sector being allowed to do what it does well, but keep it out of what it does badly. The civil service should be accountable, and motivated (tbh their pay situation needs looking at, the old deal of worse pay, but better pensions and social status has collapsed), but what it does well, keeping things running in a predictable way, it should be allowed to do.

[Каие]

Um. Yes.

See I can do it too. What he quoted was a Conservative policy.

[webMaster412160]

The financial crisis is making it hard to get a good job with a good loan.

[Arnold Schwarzenegger]

The financial crisis is making it hard to get a good job with a good loan.

To those critics who are so pessimistic about our economy, I say, Don't be economic girlie men!

[LoZz]

i think most people feel the same as you do justicar5 to one degree or another. about alot of MP's for some reason don't. Perhaps there too afraid to take a hard line on pritty much anything.

[Stalins Ghost]

Agreed, to an extent, though this is a very limited field of politics. Regarding baby factories, I've not got a problem. The children are, after all, future workers.
I'd also suggest against attempting to set politics in concrete. Always seek to challenge not only the politics of others, but above all, your own.

i think most people feel the same as you do justicar5 to one degree or another. about alot of MP's for some reason don't. Perhaps there too afraid to take a hard line on pritty much anything.

Not that I agree in the slightest about MP's abusing their responsibility as representatives, I think many people would find their own politics are far less easily justified when they're actually within the system and actually trying to pursue their policies.

[Justinian]

Moved to the Academy.

[Каие]

I absolutely agree. I am of course not Right Wing, I'm a centrist and follow the Third Way, which of course incorporates a lot of Social Democrat principles into it, and therefore believe in a mixed economy. Cooperation between private and public sectors. Also the Tory front bench has about 4 former SDP members, and several Blairites in it, in addition a lot more Liberal Democrats and Labour people who defected from the Tories are expected to comeback.

But as you say, there are some things the public sector simply does much better. The NHS cleaning and catering services for example. It was far better when they were hired by the hospitals and NHS themselves instead of out sourced. Much less MRSA and C Diff cases. But you must remember that in Europe they have far more private sector involvement and still have nowhere near the kind of problems that we do in our NHS. The outsourcing is a mistake and wrong, but the disasters in terms of cleanliness is exaggerated by the ''target culture'' laid down by Whitehall. I'm currently reading a book about the NHS and I am simply disgusted, I would defy you to read it without getting angry.

I'm disappointed at the way that fellow Tories have become obsessed with the private sector. Conservatives by definition are pragmatists. Conservative governments are built upon careful study of historical effects of policy. When Churchill took over after Atlee, despite being completely opposed to the Nationalisation of industry, he realised it actually worked very well at the time. He kept it. MacMillan kept it too after. Macmillan's premiership remains one of the most prosperous times for Britain in the last half century.

However today, the Conservative Party has an unhealthy obsession with Thatcher and therefore Dogma, very un-conservative. Even Thatcher didn't go that far. She knew, as you say, where the public sector did it best. It was the post-Thatcher fan boys who introduced this out sourcing of cleaning services. I see it like Lenin and Stalin. Stalin did so much crap which he did in the name of ''Socialism'' and ''Lenin'' which did not resemble either. It's high time the Tory Party gets over Thatcher and Reagan, return to their pragmatist and technocratic roots. That was always the Conservative Party's appeal, they were a safe pair of hands who retained the best of society and the best methods no matter even if they are communist ones, and changed the bad.

As Disraeli said: "The Tory Party is nothing if it doesn't preserve and strengthen the national institutions of this county". The NHS is one of those institutions now, and the Conservatives have, at least on the surface, have put it as their number 1 priority. They have put a Social Democrat as shadow health secretary who's flagship policy is to re introduce free dental care, and a Liberal Leader, who's late son was completely in the hands of the NHS day in day out. I sincerely hope they put dogma to one side, and burn it, and concentrate on the practicalities.

[justicar5]

I absolutely agree. I am of course not Right Wing, I'm a centrist and follow the Third Way, which of course incorporates a lot of Social Democrat principles into it, and therefore believe in a mixed economy. Cooperation between private and public sectors. Also the Tory front bench has about 4 former SDP members, and several Blairites in it, in addition a lot more Liberal Democrats and Labour people who defected from the Tories are expected to comeback.

But as you say, there are some things the public sector simply does much better. The NHS cleaning and catering services for example. It was far better when they were hired by the hospitals and NHS themselves instead of out sourced. Much less MRSA and C Diff cases. But you must remember that in Europe they have far more private sector involvement and still have nowhere near the kind of problems that we do in our NHS. The outsourcing is a mistake and wrong, but the disasters in terms of cleanliness is exaggerated by the ''target culture'' laid down by Whitehall. I'm currently reading a book about the NHS and I am simply disgusted, I would defy you to read it without getting angry.

I'm disappointed at the way that fellow Tories have become obsessed with the private sector. Conservatives by definition are pragmatists. Conservative governments are built upon careful study of historical effects of policy. When Churchill took over after Atlee, despite being completely opposed to the Nationalisation of industry, he realised it actually worked very well at the time. He kept it. MacMillan kept it too after. Macmillan's premiership remains one of the most prosperous times for Britain in the last half century.

However today, the Conservative Party has an unhealthy obsession with Thatcher and therefore Dogma, very un-conservative. Even Thatcher didn't go that far. She knew, as you say, where the public sector did it best. It was the post-Thatcher fan boys who introduced this out sourcing of cleaning services. I see it like Lenin and Stalin. Stalin did so much crap which he did in the name of ''Socialism'' and ''Lenin'' which did not resemble either. It's high time the Tory Party gets over Thatcher and Reagan, return to their pragmatist and technocratic roots. That was always the Conservative Party's appeal, they were a safe pair of hands who retained the best of society and the best methods no matter even if they are communist ones, and changed the bad.

As Disraeli said: "The Tory Party is nothing if it doesn't preserve and strengthen the national institutions of this county". The NHS is one of those institutions now, and the Conservatives have, at least on the surface, have put it as their number 1 priority. They have put a Social Democrat as shadow health secretary who's flagship policy is to re introduce free dental care, and a Liberal Leader, who's late son was completely in the hands of the NHS day in day out. I sincerely hope they put dogma to one side, and burn it, and concentrate on the practicalities.

if they manage that, then they would at least earn my respect, I will never like the conservative party as an organisation, but that doesn't mean I can't at least respect some of their mp's

[Каие]

I was like you once.