Mixing Up Islam and Islamic Extremists

[Nazgûl Killer]

I have noticed many anti-Islamic remarks all over the D&D thread, and I must say that even I, who constantly live in a conflict between Islamic states and my own, do not mix up the extremists with the Islamic people themselves!
Actually, to be quite honest, Islam is a very nice religion, I like reading the stores, it's very nice indeed, and whilst (For example) I'd read this (Or anyone else, for that matter):

"Muhammad marched to the holy land"

Islamic extremists, will read this:

"Muhammad grabbed a knife and murdered everyone in the holy land, do the same!"

That's the problem! Please, do not take Islam for granted or count it in as a bad religion, because it really isn't, it's the extremists that make them look bad.
(This was not meant to offend ANYONE, at all, I was just showing a point)

[Enemy of the State]

Islam is by its nature a violent and authoritarian religion. It's not unique in this though. Christianity and Judaism are pretty much the same.

[Visna]

Religion is what people make of it. Like a lot of other concepts it can be used or misused.

[Dr. Croccer]

Religion is what people make of it. Like a lot of other concepts it can be used or misused.

That's MY line!


Oh well.

[skag]

I have to admit I did not read the old & new testament and the Qu'ran. But I have given much attention to it, most of all simply throught people & discussion (RL people obviously, not forum's people, there's a big difference)

And what I have pointed is simply that :
There's no real difference between the 3 religions, and people is fighting simply because someone does not consider Jesus & Muhammad as prophet, others say Jesus is last prophet & Muhammad is an usurper, and the last ones believe both are prophets but the last one (& the one who has to be mostly believed) is Muhammad.
Valors, principle, moral etc. teached are almost the sames for the 3 religions. I mean by that, that all these religions underline : generosity, family, respect, modesty, humility, empathy.... for being a good people.

I lack most of all information about jews, simply because they are a lot less than christians and muslims, but I believe it's same stuff.

The biggest problem are the medias, and the image they give of the muslim world, and too much people are judging them simply on that, without even knowing some of thems, or without even having put a step in a muslim country.

And that's shamefull !!!

I'll give an example, I was playing a little game, the question was something like : How are called the people who follows the religion of islam.
On 10 people, we have been 2 to answer correctly : muslims. All others aswered Islamist

I don't know if in English is the same stuff, but in french at least, islamist is being used to qualify the extremist, and muslims simply as the religion's followers.
I remember I made the same error in the presence of my ex-GF which was from Marocco, I got almost killed by her, and i never made anymore this big mistake.

It's not important knowing if the religion is violent, simply because, as timothy underlined also, all are violent and authoritarian.

Conclusion : muslims = christians = jews
And honestly, i don't give a about who's the last Prophet. The important thing, is to behave as a good people, as teached by those 3 religions

[Каие]

Islam is by its nature a violent and authoritarian religion.

Incorrect. Not violent, no, although it permits violence in certain circumstance, self defence and justice I.e. death penalty. it's simply naive for a religion aimed at man not to address the topic of violence and pretend it's all peachy hunky dory.

As for authoritarian, absolutely not. It however is a useful tool fro dictators.

Religion is what people make of it. Like a lot of other concepts it can be used or misused.

Ditto.

[Adrian]

Incorrect. Not violent, no, although it permits violence in certain circumstance, self defence and justice I.e. death penalty. it's simply naive for a religion aimed at man not to address the topic of violence and pretend it's all peachy hunky dory.

As for authoritarian, absolutely not. It however is a useful tool fro dictators.



Ditto.

First I agree dictators use "religion" as a tool as it was used in Europe long ago.


But second why do you view Islam as just a religion ? if the political systems in some countries adapt and form around it it cant be just a "religion" Its almost a political and ideological system in itself so you cant treat it just as a religion.

Now my point compare this ideology "Islam" or "Christianity" if in the same context as the former to modern democratic Ideologies and social systems ? what do you see ?


Do you see them, as equal ? I dont what I see is a threat to my lifestyle and my way of thinking and to every principle that I hold dear.



If islam was relegated to a normal "religion" like christianity is at the moment the threat would be gone and a measure of stability achieved in those countries.

[Каие]

First I agree dictators use "religion" as a tool as it was used in Europe long ago.

But second why do you view Islam as just a religion ? if the political systems in some countries adapt and form around it it cant be just a "religion" Its almost a political and ideological system in itself so you cant treat it just as a religion.

Now my point compare this ideology "Islam" or "Christianity" if in the same context as the former to modern democratic Ideologies and social systems ? what do you see ?

Do you see them, as equal ? I dont what I see is a threat to my lifestyle and my way of thinking and to every principle that I hold dear.

If islam was relegated to a normal "religion" like christianity is at the moment the threat would be gone and a measure of stability achieved in those countries.

Political Islam is a modern innovation. If you want to see how an Islamic society works to benefit all those inside it, allowing for some flexibility due to the time period, look at the Islamic Golden Age in Spain. It went hadn in hand with the Jewish golden age which occurred at the same time, in the same place.

[Alkarin]

Islam is by its nature a violent and authoritarian religion. It's not unique in this though. Christianity and Judaism are pretty much the same.

its nowhere near what you just stated if you have read the koran.. unless you are merely describing your view of islamic nations?

[Caucasus]

Islam is by its nature a violent and authoritarian religion. It's not unique in this though. Christianity and Judaism are pretty much the same.

Oh noes HATER ALARM. Dear mr Hater, please back up your claims before you write.

To the thread starter, thank you for your kind words.

[Enemy of the State]

Oh noes HATER ALARM. Dear mr Hater, please back up your claims before you write.

To the thread starter, thank you for your kind words.

Islam means submission. The basic posture of christianity is kneeling. Need I say more? All Abrahamic religions give you only one choice, submission, or eternal damnation. You are either a slave, or you burn forever in the depths of hell.

I hate nobody.

[Yosemite]

Islam is by its nature a violent and authoritarian religion. It's not unique in this though. Christianity and Judaism are pretty much the same.

would you mind prove this point

it's like words from the ass

[Enemy of the State]

I just ing did.

[Yosemite]

I just ing did.

no you see, you submit to god wich will make you follow the revelations and will supposedly make you a better man

the problem is the deviations of islam through hadiths wich s up in the world with their followers; close minded people, fundamentalist, people who are desperate and have nothing to lose, endoctrinations, mafia (drug and human business)

that's the violent part

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because in the quran, it's written that the submitter has to be juste and fair

a submitter submits to god only, and does not submit to his own desire (becoming obssessed to the point of harming yourself) to any other living thing (idols, mystic powers, thinking that praying to someone who lives in the other side of the world will magicaly help you, or praying to whatever waiting for miracles) or submit to items (inanimate idols, images or like that)

a muslim is supposed to fight all the things that sets back the community and humanity in general

but what we see today is nothing of the sort right

i can safely say that some nonmuslim, thinkers, intellectuals and scientists are more muslim than most of the new muslim sauce wahabit

[Nazgûl Killer]

I agree that all major religions are violent ones (Aside Buddhism? ), and that's exactly my point, people see the extremists that 'represent' the religion, and judge the whole religion by it, and that's just something I dislike.

[Pickle_mole]

I agree that all major religions are violent ones

i don't, Islam demands an adherence to rules that are left untouched by the other abrahamic religions, transferring from the purely religous world to the world of law beyond the other two religions thus rendering itself a religion/political idealogy.

I know this comment will stir dissent but i beseech you too take a step back and read the verses in the Torah, Bible and Quran and decide whats the most violent and authoritarian from a neutral view. It is extremely clear, it is black and white, night and day.

[Central Asian Qaghan]

i don't, Islam demands an adherence to rules that are left untouched by the other abrahamic religions, transferring from the purely religous world to the world of law beyond the other two religions thus rendering itself a religion/political idealogy.

And Christanity demands that you pray to Jesus or die in a fire.

I'd choose adherence and the chance to live than be in the tyrannical ideals that Christanity spouts

[IrishHitman]

One is a product of the other.
Needless to say, if Islam didn't exist, either would Islamic extremism.

The same is true of Christian fundamentalists and Christianity, etc etc.

Please, do not take Islam for granted or count it in as a bad religion, because it really isn't, it's the extremists that make them look bad.

No, the whole belief system that allows such extremism makes them look bad.
Again, the same is true of Christianity.

A bit of Western secularism will sort it out in a generation or two, for the most part.

[sephodwyrm]

No, the whole belief system that allows such extremism makes them look bad.

I think its the social construct with Islam as the carrying vehicle. The earliest terrorists (or people that could be described as terrorists) have little to do with Islam. Terrorist Islamicists did not exist until after the Second World War, but Islam has been around for more than 1400 years.

[IrishHitman]

I think its the social construct with Islam as the carrying vehicle. The earliest terrorists (or people that could be described as terrorists) have little to do with Islam. Terrorist Islamicists did not exist until after the Second World War, but Islam has been around for more than 1400 years.

Ah, but the brutality existed as a part of state institutions instead.
Again, the same is true of Christianity.