Why can't I sail to the New World?

[Germanicus75]

Hi Guys,

I'm playing Byzantine under plain SS 6.1. The year is 1459 and I've built ocean-going Carracks. I've sailed them to the western edge of the map (just a little beyond the Iberian peninsula). The World is Round and Discovery of the New World notices have appeared already around 1400.

Yet I cannot sail any further west than the limits of the map of western Europe.

Anyone know why? Does it need to reach 1492 before I can sail to the Americas (as in what historically actually happened)?

Thanks!

[tuore]

There is no americas in SS 6.1. It has been replaced by the east.

[Wurfspiess]

Curses I had the same problem, in 6.2 tho. So there is no new world ? Uhm why? (yes i know its been replaced by the east but why? )

[spartan117]

Curses I had the same problem, in 6.2 tho. So there is no new world ? Uhm why? (yes i know its been replaced by the east but why? )

There is a limit on the number of provinces, factions, units, etc.. The decision was made to expand east and include parts of persia and areas just west of the ural mountains. This allows a better middle eastern campaign and allows more factions in the east to be included.

Then there was the idea that the Americas were poorly implemented and they were better left out of the campaign.

[RomanGuy]

I have to agree that the Americas were poorly implemented (and impossible to hold) in vanilla M2TW. Going east has definitely been a better idea.

[Navajo Joe]

I have to concur, that to have an expanded east was preferential to the Americas and certainly better gameplay. I think it is also fair to say that there is always plently of discussion in this forum, about reducing western European factions and having more eastern European and mid eastern factions.

[Lemming69]

whats more, in all the mods and the vanilla where americas are included, the cartography is unrealistic and wrong. I never knew that florida was parallel to britain

[Caesar Clivus]

Also the AI could never sail to the new world either. Plus seeing as 95% of people never play campaigns long enough to reach the new world (either through winning or boredom ), it makes much more sense to add in territory and factions that you can interact with for the entire campaign rather than just at the very end of the campaign.

[Wurfspiess]

Thanks alot for the explanations, I was looking forward for the new world, but if the AI wont sail there its indeed pointless.

[carth]

the new world was boring.. why would you want to fight indians (almost naked people..) when you can fight the kwarzmium empire! a real challenge!

[Wurfspiess]

the new world was boring.. why would you want to fight indians (almost naked people..) when you can fight the kwarzmium empire! a real challenge!

The game goes into the Renaisance and I was looking forward into grabing my piece and fighting against my European arch enemys there also.

[Badg3r]

the new world was boring.. why would you want to fight indians (almost naked people..) when you can fight the kwarzmium empire! a real challenge!

well, they seemed to proved a big enough problem for the english and french colonists

[Germanicus75]

Oh, thanks, that explains why no Americas then! :-)

[Templar Knight]

honestly those extra provinces should have been added to Europe instead of super far east

[Caesar Clivus]

honestly those extra provinces should have been added to Europe instead of super far east

But then you get settlements too close together, resulting in nothing but a siege-fest.

[Templar Knight]

But then you get settlements too close together, resulting in nothing but a siege-fest.

this is true, but i just find the far east very boring,

but thats just me

[Humakty]

Sure, naked or not they gave up quite a fight ! Anyway, heavy armor wouldn't have given them any advantage, 'cause we have beaten them with our guns, not with swords. Europeans of that time were the first to say indians were far more than just a challenge in melee !

[Caesar Clivus]

Sure, naked or not they gave up quite a fight ! Anyway, heavy armor wouldn't have given them any advantage, 'cause we have beaten them with our guns, not with swords.

Actually you beat them with your smallpox, not your guns or swords

[bangell99]

SS would be one hell of an epic mod if it included the Americas too.

[nopasties]

SS would be one hell of an epic mod if it included the Americas too.

it did
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=110425

including the east I think was a great decision, for the small amount of people that play a full begining to end campaign it's tragic to lose the america's but speaking for myself by turn 150-200 I become unstoppable and just give up to play a new game