What is the point of the existing of the world ?

[Dracula]

I was sitting in a caffee today and observing who was passing by. There were so many crappy people.

What's the sense of everything existing ? There is so little beauty and sensefull things. Why all this crap exists ? And even if the world has a high purpose, what purpose have the crappy human beings and the lifes they have ?

Should everything be somehow reasonable and sensefull, well organised ? If yes what follows for those that are better not existing, that are under any criteria ?

And in generall too.

[Ummon]

Helping others to live.

[Dracula]

Helping others to live.

I know that one should say that, it is in the good books. However...to what result ? If they remain crappy ? Plus one obviously will never change much. So ? And have you yourself taken to help anyone anywhen to speak from experience ? The world doesn't change.

These emo internet rants are ridiculous.

No it's an objective question. Why does everything that is not in order exist ?

[MaximiIian]

Why does everything that is not in order exist ?

Because existence itself is chaotic and random. That's what makes life and existence itself such a beautiful thing.

[The Dude]

From where I stand, existence is inherently pointless. What's the purpose of an apple. To feed? Other foods feed. If the apple hadn't existed nobody would've cared, we'd have eaten something else.

What's the purpose of life? That is to say, why does life exist? I don't think there is a purpose. What's the purpose -in- life? Well, since you just so happen to exist, you might aswell make the best of it. That's human purpose.

But you are right. Why is the earth here so wonderful in its ability to sustain life and why is nature so marvellous? When in the majority of the galaxy there is only emptiness and cold. What purpose does life serve in the universe as a whole? And as a resulting question; what's the purpose of the universe at all?

These are questions we can't yet answer, so I'll make do with whatever I think sounds logical: there is no purpose, so we'll just have to make do with the means we have to entertain ourselves.

[Juvenal]

From where I stand, existence is inherently pointless.

Are you sure you've thought that one through? If you really believed it you would not have put so much effort into surviving until this point in your life. You eat, you drink, you breath, you step out of the way of oncoming traffic. These are not the actions of someone who truly believes existence is pointless.

What's the purpose of an apple. To feed? Other foods feed. If the apple hadn't existed nobody would've cared, we'd have eaten something else.

An apple is an apple tree's method for making more apple trees. The apple tree persuades you to spread its seed by making the apple desirable.

What's the purpose of life? That is to say, why does life exist? I don't think there is a purpose. What's the purpose -in- life? Well, since you just so happen to exist, you might aswell make the best of it. That's human purpose.

Life is its own justification. Once it exists, it strives for continued existence. The purpose of life is to survive, be fruitful and multiply. Any life that doesn't have this purpose dies out, and therefore we are unlikely to see much of it during the infinitesimal slice of history that is our lifetime. A much more interesting question is how did Life start?

Why is the earth here so wonderful in its ability to sustain life and why is nature so marvellous? When in the majority of the galaxy there is only emptiness and cold.

The Anthropic Principle again. We see that the Earth is perfectly suited to life. But since we exist, then this must be so. If it were not, then we would not exist and would not be asking the question.

What purpose does life serve in the universe as a whole? And as a resulting question; what's the purpose of the universe at all?

These are questions we can't yet answer, so I'll make do with whatever I think sounds logical: there is no purpose, so we'll just have to make do with the means we have to entertain ourselves.

Purpose is only meaningful when applied to Life. The Universe does not act or make decisions, therefore how can anything serve a purpose to it?

For the Universe to have a purpose, there must be a Creator. The existence of a Creator is currently a matter of faith. Therefore unless the purpose of the Universe is obvious (which doesn't seem to be the case) the only way to determine it is through prayer.

[guerra]

There is method to the madness. And if you can't see beauty in the world, that is your own flaw, not the world's.

People are people. They are organisms who want to survive and thrive, culture and society changes that a bit, but most core instincts are intact.

You seem rather whiney really, Why don't you go help some poor people? Why don't you do something productive with your life? Learn some skills, make a goal. Find your own beauty, don't ask others to find it for you.

These emo internet rants are ridiculous.

[Ummon]

The result is their business: not ours. We must simply hope they come to a solution that is good for them and possibly in general.

Of course, it is normal to be saddened by the spectacle of the world sometimes. Today, it is really a bad spectacle. But ultimately, pessimism leads only to despair: it is useless.

[gambit]

There isnt a point. Life was created through survival, not meaningfulness.

[Ummon]

There isnt a point. Life was created through survival, not meaningfulness.

That's the kind of logic which leads to the game ending, you see. With everyone's defeat.

[gambit]

That's the kind of logic which leads to the game ending, you see. With everyone's defeat.

Only if people think I'm saying we should all be apathetic and just sit around till we die.

There is no ever-binding point of ascension we simply havent reached cause we're not trying hard enough. mankind achieved sentience before any other species we know about; thats all that makes us special. People who need to find a huge purpose in their lives just cant find satisfaction in whatever they're doing now.

[Dracula]

People who need to find a huge purpose in their lives just cant find satisfaction in whatever they're doing now.

That's the question. Isn't it that the human being has some implemented knowledge for a higher purpose ? And even if it would be defined differently, how practically it is expressed or how can people achieve it ?

[gambit]

That's the question. Isn't it that the human being has some implemented knowledge for a higher purpose ? And even if it would be defined differently, how practically it is expressed or how can people achieve it ?

Religiously you can believe that notion, I prefer to think it's a little less divine intervention and a little more dog-headed survivability. As living beings we dont have some natural instinct that drives us to find deep satisfaction or purpose, just to reproduce and survive. Is it so hard to think we simply pushed ourselves on top of the food chain because we were the most cunning of all the primates?

Dont get me wrong, I dont think it's all moot senselessness. Not only do we have all of life's pleasures and trials to keep us satisfied, we can find purpose in the human race and, like ummon said, helping people. We dont have to believe we were created by some extra-dimensional beings to wanna progress our own race for the better.

I didn't suggest it is a matter of purpose specifically and exclusively. More a matter of strategies.

Of course, strategies work better if one adheres to them willingly, and enthusiastically, but still keeps an open mind in case change is in order.

Existentialism, or Buddhism, are good philosophies, but they do not dare to really put the heart in what they say. Which is only understandable, given their premises.

Those type of 'strategies' are good in my mind, I just dont take kindly to beliefs that try and put mankind on some altar of importance and make people believe we have something to look forward too. It's a sad thought but everyone should realize it is all temporary. We will die, our families will die, our legacies will die, our species will die and eventually this planet will too. Then some other life form on what eventually takes our planets place will have it's time. (or probably is right now, in some other distance corner of the universe) All we can do is make what we have, for the better.

So there is potential for purpose I suppose, but it's not some divine calling everyone has to answer too.

[Ummon]

Only if people think I'm saying we should all be apathetic and just sit around till we die.

There is no ever-binding point of ascension we simply havent reached cause we're not trying hard enough. mankind achieved sentience before any other species we know about; thats all that makes us special. People who need to find a huge purpose in their lives just cant find satisfaction in whatever they're doing now.

I didn't suggest it is a matter of purpose specifically and exclusively. More a matter of strategies.

Of course, strategies work better if one adheres to them willingly, and enthusiastically, but still keeps an open mind in case change is in order.

Existentialism, or Buddhism, are good philosophies, but they do not dare to really put the heart in what they say. Which is only understandable, given their premises.

[Dracula]

So how can the world of ideas achieve real fullfillment in this temporary present one ?

[IrishHitman]

Existentialism, or Buddhism, are good philosophies, but they do not dare to really put the heart in what they say. Which is only understandable, given their premises.

I fail to see why free will would be a premise not worth promoting...

[HansDuet]

Why should there be a point?

[Dracula]

Why should there be a point?

why do you expect there shouldn't be ?

e.

You do exist, so the world should probably make sense to you too! (At least, most of the time.)

I was not speaking for me or my sense but for the others. And I would pity anyone who thinks some genes, that make almost all people the same with slight difference, are the point of existing.

[Juvenal]

I was not speaking for me or my sense but for the others. And I would pity anyone who thinks some genes, that make almost all people the same with slight difference, are the point of existing.

Existence is its own justification.

[Juvenal]

You were just feeling out of sorts. Normally the world does make sense, and you prove that this is the case by application of The Anthropic Principle.

Because you exist, you must have an ancestry consisting of people who were successful at coping with the world. If the world did not make sense to them, they would probably not have been successful, and therefore would not all have lived long enough to reproduce.

You do exist, so the world should probably make sense to you too! (At least, most of the time.)

If by some genetic accident it doesn't, then you can at least be comforted by the fact that you have siblings or cousins for whom the ability to make sense of things remains, meaning that your genetic heritage will not be entirely lost should you meet with the kind of accident those without understanding are prone to (stepping in front of buses, forgetting to eat, leaving your penthouse apartment via the window etc).