Surrender

**Cheshire Cat** · May 20, 2009, 07:31 AM

Has anybody had an enemy army surrender yet when you have asked them to?

**WeardLan** · May 20, 2009, 07:35 AM

several times, generally has to be overwhelming force though, and though you only get one chance I've noticed more success after waiting 1/2 turns (depending on how long the town says its going to hold)

Thought I suspect that if it's going to take any longer than 2 turns to fall, the AI thinks it's got a big enough army or enough time to build one
then it will refuse.

**alteropptatt** · May 20, 2009, 07:56 AM

Only happened one time in my RTI campaign.I had only one unit more than AI (6 units of millitia total), but they were evidently cowards?

**PGeo36** · May 20, 2009, 12:04 PM

Never. I once had 2 full stacks besieging a settlement with 2 units of militia and they still wouldn't surrender.

**Slaists** · May 20, 2009, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by PGeo36

Never. I once had 2 full stacks besieging a settlement with 2 units of militia and they still wouldn't surrender.

Post patch 1.02 it does happen. In a long campaign I played with Russians, it happened about 5 times in total. Note though that it seems, the AI needs 'somewhere to run to' to be able to surrender. If it's the last territory: they won't surrender no matter what.

Also: city armed populace does not seem to surrender (if they are the only ones defending) ever.

**JAMiAM** · May 20, 2009, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Slaists

Also: city armed populace does not seem to surrender (if they are the only ones defending) ever.

An interesting observation, and one that makes sense, in a way. If the decision is weighted toward preservation of force that is relocatable, then the spawned defenders would not lend any value to the garrison to be saved.

**madmaxxam** · May 20, 2009, 03:27 PM

I've had an enemy surrender at a fort (on their territory) to me as I marched in. I usually hit the button because it adds almost no time and you never know. The army went running off and it allowed me to then advance on their city without interference (and the army that surrendered went somewhere else, so I never actually had to fight it.)

**Turanien** · May 20, 2009, 12:09 PM

It never happens. Even with a full stack of experienced infantry, two units of town guard will not surrender.

**JAMiAM** · May 20, 2009, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Turanien

It never happens. Even with a full stack of experienced infantry, two units of town guard will not surrender.

Just because it never happened for you, does not mean it never happens. Since patch 1.2, the AI has surrendered in a siege to my forces. I only had about a 2:1 power ratio, but they did, and their army was displaced, giving me the city.

It's happened for many others, as well.

**kabeast** · May 20, 2009, 04:32 PM

It makes sense for just armed pop to never surrender. The AI would gain nothing, where by fighting he could hurt you at least a little. normally they would save a few units, but not here.