The authorship of the Qur'an

**I Am Herenow** · May 19, 2009, 07:47 AM

I would like to ask about the structure of the Qur'an and who wrote it. As there is a fairly widespread story in Western schools about the gospels' authorship (first came Mark, then came Matthew and Luke, writing independently but both taking some information from Mark and from Q, and then came John [and there was also Thomas, but he got scrapped]), I would like to know what the equivalent is for the Qur'an.

I Am Herenow

**Chaigidel** · May 19, 2009, 08:12 AM

it was probably compiled after the general conquest and used as a way to consolidate the new empire ---- it was merely an oral tradition a cult of personality if you will about the conquerer at first, by looking at constantine and christianity he realized the value of a religious ruling class.

**~~Yosemite~~** · May 19, 2009, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Chaigidel

oral tradition a cult of personality

hadiths do this not quran

**Chaigidel** · May 19, 2009, 09:27 AM

read your own history-- muhammed never wrote it down, he related it orally--- then after he died it was compiled as a religion.

**~~Yosemite~~** · May 19, 2009, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Chaigidel

read your own history-- muhammed never wrote it down, he related it orally--- then after he died it was compiled as a religion.

i am not talking about that

you talked about cult of personality of muhammad

this is in the HADITHS, not the QURAN

the QURAN does NOT praise MUHAMMAD

**AngryTitusPullo** · May 21, 2009, 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by Chaigidel

read your own history-- muhammed never wrote it down, he related it orally--- then after he died it was compiled as a religion.

He never wrote it down because he can't write but his companions wrote them in fragments which were later compiled in to a single book.

As to the OP, for muslims the 'author' is God while for non muslims attributed it to Muhammad (non-muslim historians).

**Chaigidel** · May 19, 2009, 11:35 AM

my mistake

**Sebdeas** · May 19, 2009, 05:36 PM

Well it is the word of God ofcourse

**~~AdamWeishaupt~~** · May 20, 2009, 02:22 AM

Text-making is largely anonym in pre-modern times. This can have various reasons and is not limited to law collections or documents of religious status. The authorship in the sense of the writer of modern literature or the composer of a score of classical music is probably what we have in front of our eyes when we rise this question from our point of view. It does in fact not fully fit into such a context. That does not mean that there are no concepts of authorship in pre-modern times but they differ from ours.

**I Am Herenow** · May 21, 2009, 11:17 AM

So there weren't any people other than Muhammad who had a large influence on it (equivalents of the four gospel writers)?

I Am Herenow

**Chaigidel** · May 21, 2009, 12:05 PM

no there was a huge family of mohammed that wrote it after his death

the quran was not written it was an oral tradition; it was put to words after his death.

probably by a large group of scholars trying to cement the new empire.

**sephodwyrm** · May 21, 2009, 03:00 PM

the QURAN does NOT praise MUHAMMAD

In fact, Qur'an did the opposite, really, by saying that he's not unlike the multitudes of others.
Checkout 003:144 (Al-e-Imran).

And Muhammad is no more than a messenger; the messengers have already passed away before him; if then he dies or is killed will you turn back upon your heels? And whoever turns back upon his heels!s, he will by no means do harm to Allah in the least and Allah will reward the grateful.

i.e.: God is not at all harmed if there's no Muslims in the world.

**Chaigidel** · May 21, 2009, 04:11 PM

and God does not care if everyone in the world is Muslim; -- our petty games are meaningless to the master.

**Aldgarkalaughskel** · May 21, 2009, 04:13 PM

The authorship of the Qur'an

Seriously, who cares? Does it matter? It only matters for fanatics, who believe what they are taught to believe anyway.

**PointOfViewGun** · May 21, 2009, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by I Am Herenow

I would like to ask about the structure of the Qur'an and who wrote it. As there is a fairly widespread story in Western schools about the gospels' authorship (first came Mark, then came Matthew and Luke, writing independently but both taking some information from Mark and from Q, and then came John [and there was also Thomas, but he got scrapped]), I would like to know what the equivalent is for the Qur'an.

I Am Herenow

This is why we have Wiki.

**Central Asian Qaghan** · May 21, 2009, 08:10 PM

What a pack of lies. The Quran was written primarly by those who could write during the teachings of muhammad (pbuh). It was complied after his death (pbuh).

As such there is not such thing as authors because they all complied what they had. No one wrote the whole thing.