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    "No, I know all the war rhetoric, but it's all aimed at achieving peace."
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    Rise of the Roman Empire

    A history of Rome, by Prof Alfred Kennard, 2002 New York

    The sack of Rome in 387 BC had a huge impact on the following century. Not only did the socio-political system in Rome change, but also the military had to be reformed. The first decades after the Celtic invasion the Romans had to acknowledge the fact that they were a second class power and shared the center of Italy with the Etruscians, the Umbrians, the Sabines and the Saminites. But despite all this, Rome was still able to maintain it's grip on the Latin League. That meant that all the small cities around Rome were under her influence and obligated to support the military with troops. That meant that the Romans had enough manpower to regain a strong position until to 340 BC.
    But also the military doctrine had to be reformed. The Roman army turned away from the Greek orientated Hoplite formation to a more flexible Maniple formation. It is possible that the Romans were influenced by the Celitic way of war. The Maniple formation was divided into 3 lines: The Hastati, the Principes and the Trarii
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    A sample of the Camilian Roman Army.

    The Hastati were the youngest in the Roman army and the first line of defence.


    Hastati

    The Principes were more seasoned soldiers who have been to war already. Their duty was to support the Hastati when necessary.



    Principes

    And last but not least the Triarii were the most experienced soldiers in the Roman army. Their duty was to get into battle when everything went wrong. It was their job to be the last line of defense.



    Triarii

    But it wasn't the dividing into three classes that brought the early Roman military successes. Two other things are more important: First of all, the Romans had the best recruiting system of the times. Every man had to have a certain position in the army, the Romans made sure that no one could be excluded from service. Their allies had to support the Romans with money or manpower. Whenever needed, the Romans were able to draft men into service with great efficiency.


    Hastati throwing "pila", a throwingspear, befor charging to battle. That was a common tactic during the time.

    Second, the Manipel system was the most flexible military doctrine. Instead of having a huge line of infantry, the Roman army was divided into small subsections that could, if necessary act on their own without breaking the whole line. This would prove over the next two centuries a huge advantage over the Hoplites and Phalanxes.


    Hastati fighting light spear infantry.

    In a conclusion the Roman Infantry was far from perfect, but it was flexible and innovative. Those factors would be first tested in the following war with the Umbrian League and the Samnite wars.

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    Yay, I love this!

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    Great update as per usual. +rep.

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    Very good, was wondering what had happened to this AAR! rep

    (Ps. When the next CQ issue is released, Ive done a review of this AAR )
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    Quote Originally Posted by SonOfAlexander View Post
    Very good, was wondering what had happened to this AAR! rep

    (Ps. When the next CQ issue is released, Ive done a review of this AAR )
    Cheers.

    Yeah I was a bit busy latley. Plus it always takes a bit of time to get into a complete new mod.
    The latest update is only an introduction, the real updates should come within the next days.

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    Nice update, and great to see this progressing!

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    What mod is this?
    Also, will we see Alexander the Great, the Peloponnesian War, and other Greek events once the Romans play their part?
    Nice to see this back up, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Julius Barca the Great View Post
    What mod is this?
    Also, will we see Alexander the Great, the Peloponnesian War, and other Greek events once the Romans play their part?
    Nice to see this back up, though.
    It's Paeninsula Italica mod that covers roughly the conquest of Italy by the Romans.

    As for the Greeks, it will most likeley not happen. I'd love to cover more stuff by the greeks, but there are hardly any mods and if there are they didn't satisfy my needs. The Peloponnesian War is covered nowhere, the Megas Alexandros mod is too buggy and offers no new models etc. I really really wanted to have Alexander in this AAR, I even mentioned him when I wrote about Kûrus.
    The Greeks will however play a significant role as philosophs and historians.

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    Well that is unfortunate. The Romans are my favorite ancient civ, but Alexander and his Macedonians are a close second. But, games do have limitations.
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    Hmmm... do you not have access to RTW Alexander? (considering you've got relatively obscure mods like ROP and PI)
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    I liked the use of PI... Sad to see no Alexandros, but what can you do...

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    The problem with Megas Alexandros is that the age-stystem is buggy. The mod has a 12ypt script, but within that oneyear(12 turns) Alexander ages 3 years. Kinda tricky to roleplay on that.

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    As long as mankind shall continue to bestow more liberal applause on their destroyers than on their benefactors, the thirst of military glory will ever be the vice of exalted characters.
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    War with the Umbrian Laegue



    Early Rome

    Fabius - Ab Urbe Condita
    (written at about 50 BC)

    Book VIII


    (1)It was now the year 422 [332BC] and the elected Consuls were Cneaso Domitius Calvinus and Quintus Cornelius Arvinus. The war with the Latin League was over for 5 years now and the Romans had pacified their former enemies into allies once again. But that also made the neighbors feel with unease since they feared to become too dependent of Roman influence. The new consuls therefor met with the Senate to discuss the topic. The wisest of the Senators the Proconsul Lucius Furius Camillus asked the consuls: "Now that we fear that our neighbors might turn against us, what actions do you propose?" Arvinus replied: "We have to ask ourselves: Who is the biggest threat to us? It may seem to many people that the Etruscians, our neighbor to the north is our oldest and strongest enemy. But let's not forget that in the last war with the Samnites the Umbrians where a formidable ally to the Samnites cause". Calvinus, who would not agree with his colleague replied "But the Samnites are not in league with the Umbrians anymore. We have to rethink our plans and not compare old conflicts with upcoming ones".
    (2) The discussions in the Senate were going on like this for weeks. But during the festival of the Vesta a messenger from Umbria came and spoke to the consuls, but not in the Senate since they would not meet during the festival. The messenger was shocked that the rest of the Senators would not hear him out: "So I speak to you, Roman consuls. Be aware that the Umbrians do not take it anymore with the Roman arrogance and we therefor have to declare war upon you. Be also aware that our allies, the Sabellians, the Etruscians and the Sabines are joining our cause".
    (3) The Senate and the Consuls decided to send word to the Roman colonies and to the Latin League. They also knew that the Roman armies had to stay on the defense this year and ordered all troops stationed on the borders to remain within the cities and garrisons. Meanwhile the Consuls would prepare and muster the forces for war within the next year. The Umbrian League choose to satisife themselves with small skirmishes on the borders.


    In the first year of the war both sides only engaged in small skirmishes. Here a Roman garrison of the city of Caerae fights against Etruscian Hoplites and Chariots

    (4) In the following year [331 BC] the Senators decided to make Quintus Furius Camillus, a patrician who was also the nephew of Lucius Furius Camillus, dictator because of the threat by the Umbrian Leauge [rei gerundae causa]. The appointed dictator spoke with the Senate and they made it clear that the first attack should be against Cures, a Sabine town which was only 26 kilometers away from Rome. The Roman people met with full arms on the field of Mars and Q. Furius Camillus spoke to the citizens: "Roman citizens. I know that war is never an easy or pleasant thing. But we did not want this war. We did not choose this. It was the Umbrians who tricked and fooled our friends and neighbors - the Sabines - to turn their back on us and betray our old friendship. They threaten to attack our city, and we cannot let our Rome fall in the hands of the Umbrian League. Therefor we must march and make sure we cripple the ambitious plans of our enemy. But rest assured, we will not be cruel to the Sabines. Once they realize that we are not the enemy we shall have peace again and be on good terms so we can face the Umbrians and the Etruscians."
    (5) With those words spoken Q.
    Furius Camillus had the Romans hearts and minds on his side and in early Summer of the same year a full Roman Legion marched to the city of Cures.


    Who was Lucius Fabius?

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Lucius Fabius was a Roman historian who wrote a universal history of Rome. He started with the legendary myths of the founding of Rome up to his present day. Fabius portraits a lively version of the Roman history and he is more interested in various details rather then a critical approach on the matter. Reason for that is the time Fabius was living in, the Roman civil war is on going and Fabius experiences what he calls a "decline of morality". His work was to remind the Romans what virtues made the Rome strong and how they dealt with certain flaws in society. Besides that his work can be considered as very inaccurate with a lack of sources. The modern historian Brian Lewis said about Fabius "He is master of lies in history. But that does not mean his stories do not have a kernel of truth in it".



    The Roman Legion marches against the Sabine town of Cures in 331 BC.
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    Yeeeey, congratz on this! +REP
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    I got a question people. Where can I find a rather empty map of Italy, or better even a map of center Italy? I want to make a small map that explains the different alliances and progress of battle. The minimap in PI does not work very well for that kind of stuff.

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    BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    + rep and for your question I don't know sorry
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    Wow. Very wow. Incredibly WOW!

    What an amazing scope for an AAR! You are most deserving of every rep point you get on this one!

    I've never even thoughtcovering the vast majority of history in a single AAR, and if I had I certainly wouldn't have had the guts to actually do one.

    Truly this is amazing.

    I wish you great endurance. And I wish you enjoyment!!!

    Oh, and as for your question.

    Would a satellite map work? It's easy to get a satellite photo of Italy, and being completely blank you could add whatever you want. I've used satellite stuff for some of my projects; it works pretty well.
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    Zeus most glorious and most great, Thundercloud, throned in the heavens! Let not the sun go down and the darkness come, until I cast down headlong the citadel of Priam in flames, and burn his gates with blazing fire, and tear to rags the shirt upon Hectors breast! May many of his men fall about him prone in the dust and bite the earth!
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    Campaigns against the Sabines

    A history of Rome, by Prof Alfred Kennard, 2002 New York

    In 332 BC it came to the first battle of the war. The Umbrian League was not trying to confront the Roman army directly rather then try to bleed and starve the Roman people into submission. But when the Romans made Quintus Camillus Furius dictator they choose a relatively competent man to deal with the problem. He quickly gathered all men at the Fields of Mars and marched against Cures, where the Sabines met the Romans for battle. The Sabines used a mixed of older tactics like chariots but also used heavy infantry not unlike the Romans.


    Roman infantry facing chariots.

    The odds were even, but if we are to believe Fabius the Roman army was better supplied and the moral of the men was at a peak. The Sabines tried to break the roman wedge formation by two attacks, but Furius broke through the enemy at the spearhead and broke the army into two. Panic spread and the whole Sabine army routed from the field. Fabius tells us that the Romans had only a couple twenty Roman casualties. While this is certainly an exaggeration it is not unlikely that the Romans won an overwhelming victory over the Sabines. It is also possible that Fabius wanted to underline that competence of Furius as a competent commander, who was not appointed in any significant military position the next years, even though we have no clue why he didn't get any further command.



    The battle was a surprising loss for the Umbrian League and for the next 3 years both sides would not engage each other in a larger battle. The Romans would build up fortified colonies in Latinum with the task of defending the lands while the Umbrian League tried to drag the Samnites, probably the strongest rival to Rome, to join the Umbrian League.

    Fabius - Ab Urbe Condita
    (written at about 50 BC)

    Book VIII

    (18) When a Umbrian messenger arrived at Kelis Puntiis who was at that time elected meddix, a position that resembles our consul, he offered him to join the Umbrian League as a coequal ally to get revenge at the Romans from the last war with them. Kelis Puntiis replied: "What a tempting offer. But how do I know that you Umbrians do have what it takes to fight the Romans, when you have troubles of keeping the Umbrian League together?" The messenger replied: "The Umbrians lead the league, it was written in stone when we formed our band, now the other members of the league want the lead for them. The Umbrians do honour their agreements for good or evil, therefore we will not give up leading the league. But the Samnites would join as ally with equal vote and rights. Without having to bother with the other members at all." Puntiis thought about it and answered: "Your ideas and goals are just. But I don't believe that the league can survive and function with such quarrel within the own ranks. The Samnites will join the war, but not as ally. Instead we will join as comrades in arms." And so it happened that the Romans now fought the Umbrian League to the north, and the Samnites in the south.

    Cont. A history of Rome

    We do not know the exact year when the (second) Samnite war started along the war with the Umbrian League, but most historians agree with the year 329 BC.
    From 331 BC to 328 BC the Romans fought the Umbrians and the Etruscans with mixed results. There was no clear advantage on both sides. In 328 BC Spurius Aemilius Mamercus and Publius Cornelius Scapula were elected consuls. Fabius tells us that it was Mamercus who favoured a new decisive attack on the Sabines to knock them out of the war since the various smaller battles and skirmishes against the Etruscans and the Umbrians were not leading anywhere. This was a tricky plan since moving the Roman legions into the Apennine mountains, the heartland of the Sabines was a dangerous move that would expose the Roman flanks and make it possible for the Umbrian allies to attack Rome directly. But Mamercus took the risk and attacked Sabine homeland and forced them to face them in battle.



    (21) Since the Romans were invading their own land the commander of the Sabines had, Magistrate Aninis had the choice of battle. He knew that the Roman army was terribly mobile so he placed his army at a hill, hoping to slow their movements. Mamercus scouted the area and placed his heavy cavalierly near a local wood within the hill. That way Aninis thought that the Romans would attack without the crucial flanking force. When all the Hastati engaged the Sabine lines a horn was blown and the Equites started moving up the hill out of sight and flanked the Sabines on the left wing, crushing through the main line of defence. The terror of the Roman Equites breaking out of nowhere surprised the Sabines who were struck by shock and started fleeing from the battlefield. The Romans finished off the complete army killing thousands of Sabines, even though the attack on the hill itself cost the Roman many fine Romans their life as well.



    Roman infantry engaging the Sabine line of defence.



    The Sabines had a tight line of defence that could not be broken through with normal infantry.



    The Roman Equites charged into the back of the infantry line and breaking through the ranks.

    (22) When Magistrate Aninis returned to Carseoli [the capital], for he had survived the battle, he ran into the Senate and cried: “All is over! All is over!”. When the Sabine senators asked Aninis to calm down he explained that they lost the war, for the whole army was lost itself and the Roman consul was on the way to the city. So the Sabine Senators all agreed that the war was over and it was time to surrender to Roman mercy. For his great deeds Mamercus was granted a triumph upon returning home with his successful army.



    The 6 areas at the bottom of the trapeze mark the landgain made against the war with the Sabines.


    Mamercus battle against Aninis was fought at an unknown location in the year 328 BC and it was the second great victory over the Sabines, who had not achieved any victory themselves against the Romans. The Umbrian League was breaking up the moment the Sabines decided to make peace with the Romans. In fact the Romans acquired nearly all Sabine territory except some Sabine colonies on the eastern coast of Italy.
    Rome had defeated the weakest enemy, which was important enough to weaken the Umbrian League to a great deal itself. Now the focus was on a war on two fronts, the Umbrians and the Etruscan to the north and the Samnites to the south. Rome was still much on the defence and facing superior number of troops. Furthermore, not every campaign would go as smooth as the ones against the Sabines as the next battles would show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ariovistus Maximus View Post
    Would a satellite map work? It's easy to get a satellite photo of Italy, and being completely blank you could add whatever you want. I've used satellite stuff for some of my projects; it works pretty well.
    Hmm good idea. I might actually try that. I will probably add a map that explains the war a little bit better in the next update. The war is far from finished.

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    Some news and behind the scenes infos:

    Since I thought that Fabius (who is obviously a Livy clone ) wrote his account on the Roman history a couple of centuries later I actually played ahead with my PI campaign. I wrote his account a week or two later after I actually played it. I wanted to stimulate the fact that his source was written 300 years later. What did I remember? What was added to the facts? How would the ongoing Roman civil war (which will be an upcoming part of EB) influence his portrayal of the "good ol days"?

    Furthermore I have already completed playing PI since I conquered most of the territory that the Romans start with in EB.

    Last but not least, I'm going on vaction on Saturday. I hope I have time to write another update before I leave, otherwise there wont be any updates till late of July. My visit to the Mediterranean sea will have certainly serve me as an influence on further updates. So stay tuned!

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