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    Default Faction leader loyalty traits

    Anyone else notice that heirs who gained + loyalty traits, i.e. feels appreciated, has the king's eye etc. still retain these traits upon becoming faction leader. I understand this may be hard/impossible? to remove programming wise.

    Another thing that bugs me, how come faction leaders can gain the traits feels appreciated, respected, honored while they are the faction leader. I understand how removing them upon becoming faction leader might be problematic but how come they can gain them while being faction leader?

    Morty

    P.S. I am not sure if this is a bug or not so I posted it here, please move to proper thread as you see fit.

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    Default Re: Faction leader loyalty traits

    why cant they have the traits and be the faction leader?
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    Default Re: Faction leader loyalty traits

    Think of those traits as a way to look back on the character's whole career!

    Having those traits makes other good traits more likely as well.

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    Default Re: Faction leader loyalty traits

    Well the way I look at the appreciated and king's eye line of traits is simply to keep underlings loyal to the faction leader. If your the faction leader, who are you loyal to? Faction leaders obviously don't have a loyalty stat, that is replaced with authority. About the appreciated and king's eye traits being interconnected with other positive traits I haven't looked at that yet.

    These traits just seem like they are useless and should be "cleaned up" upon becoming faction leader, and the appreciated line should no longer be attainable.

    Morty

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