Roma Surrectum or SPQR

[TW-fanboy]

Well, I played RS very much, and now I'd like to hear some details about spqr. First, which new gamplay mechanic are in, second, what differences are between RS and SPQR, and last but not least, how is the republic / Empire / republic -> Empire changing handled (is it in the mod at all). I couldn't find anything and the readme of vs. 7.0 only explains differences to former versions.

[Hesus de bodemloze]

I'd like to hear some details about spqr.

What details are you looking for? You will need to fight countless of battles. Play the campaign slow and have hours of fun playing this mod.

which new gamplay mechanic are in

The loyalty system of IB i believe.

what differences are between RS and SPQR,

I never played RS so i can' t help you on this, i would say just install the mod and find out.

last but not least, how is the republic / Empire / republic -> Empire changing handled

5. Carthage must be destroyed and you must own their lands for Marius Reforms to take place.

[Ejergard]

Changing from Polybian to post Marian republic is through the usual Marian reforms, there are many threads going deeper into exactly what the requirements are, but there is more needed than it used to be in vanilla. The change from post marian republican units to imperial ones is a greyzone really. This is mainly managed by houserules, but this could be abused... As soon as you build imperial barracks you can start building imperial cohorts in that same town.
Houserules is a big part of this mod, and its up to the player to make the most of it. Other than that... The mod pretty much changes everything

[S u l l a]

Welcome to SPQR!

SPQR fit better my taste by far. I have played a lot of RS as well as many other mods. I have always returned to SPQR since there is no other mod not even close as challenging as SPQR. SPQR is also known as the most stable mod out there.

RS is a nice mod and the main difference/advantage is that you can play the other factions if you like. SPQR is designed to be played as Romans. You have the numbered legions linked to settlements in RS as in SPQR.

In SPQR you get the Republican legions and auxilia units after Marius reforms. With last barrack buildings you get the Imperial legions.

I get tired of RS quite fast. Whilst RS is quite easy FOR ME, SPQR is extremely tough from the start and you have to FIGHT for SURVIVAL and to defend your boders very carefully planning several turns ahead. Autocalc battles is out of question most of times. If you don't manage your economy, logistics and battle tactics then your strategy will fail and you will be in trouble much faster than you think. Yes, I got bad news as well, SPQR get harder the longer you play in your campaign ...

Last but not least, it is recommended that you go through the houserules from the start and play SPQR with setings M/M.

Enjoy!

[Mont]

This mod has a simpler building structure than RS, I find RS overly complicated. This mod delivers the feel of the period thru its excellent music and epic hard battles. though not totally historical, you get to fight both the first and second punic wars at the same time. This mod is to be played as the romans and is without doubt the most challenging in terms of commanding troops, you have to play it to find out.

[TW-fanboy]

Which new scripts are in it. And about Republic/ Empire: In RS there was a Emperor unit available after the last reforms, to demonstrate the change of government. So, in SPQR, is there a Senate, later an emperor, hand how is the colonization managed. Btw.: If I remember right, the fall of the republic mod is based on spqr, right?
And all in all, would you say Rome is better/more realistic, historic/ more enjoyabe in SPQR. Because Rome is my favourite faction.

[Mont]

4tpy and a garrison script, the garrison appears in cities you siege.There is a senate,colonization is managed in the usual way, I don't think SPQR is based on the fall of the republic, but to really find out whats going on play it.

[Raglan]

MAYBE HE MEANS FALL OF THE REPUBLIC IS BASED ON SPQR

[SirGejor]

AVE!

Great Sulla!! That´s All!

[Angrychris]

i could never get RS working

[TW-fanboy]

One question isn't answered: Is there the change from republic to empire (I said it before, but in RS there is the emperor unit to reflect this). I'm not asking about military reforms but any represantation of the change in rule.
Edit:I just fought a battle against Hannibal. It was a crushing defeat, but the great general was killed. All in all SPQR is nearer to vanilla Rome, and I always liked the Senate. The music is great (CAESAR III , right? Nostalgy .... and Conan....) The battle was great. The realism, the music, there was a great atmosphere . It was my best Total War battle ever (I have Med, Rome, Med 2 and Empire).

[Hesus de bodemloze]

I am not sure what you mean with the emperor unit.

The change that you will see in the Republic to Empire will be that after building Imperial barracks you will be able to recruit Imperial leginairs who look a lot different then republicans. After building these barracks you won' t be able to retrain your republican legion number so this would indicate the change from republic to imperium.

[TW-fanboy]

The emperor unit is a unit available for Rome after the last reforms in RS, it's a general unit, so you recruit a new named character. In the unit description you can see lines like the republic has fallen... or the emperor is now in charge. But it is obselete, because in RS there is no senate faction, and the Roman faction is the republic, and otherwise there was no alternative to demonstrate this mutation. As there is a senate faction and you are the dictator of Rome in SPQR, you simply have to destroy the democracy (senate faction).

[Ejergard]

You could also say that you start the Imperial era once you conquer Rome from the Senate

[lt1956]

Rome was a republic not a democracy. Just like the USA, democracies were considered the worst form of government because if 51% of the people wanted a dictator they would win and have it. In a Republic there are Set LAWS of the land that CANNOT be changed to prevent the majority from changing the nation too much. The only way a Republic can fall is through FORCE, it cant be done in the voting system. Hence why Rome went into Civil war and then the Republic was dead. So the closest would be a Democracy within a Republic as you get the Democratic vote of issues but the republic is not able to be removed by a democratic vote like in Greece.

[TW-fanboy]

I know the fact that Rome was an oligarchic/aristrocratic republic, in which the patricians had the power, followed by equites, and the people(Plebs). But I consider the people's tribunes , who had the veto, so they could interrupt any meeting/skip the actual issue, as a democratic element because they were voted by Plebs, and later there were plebei in the senate, e.g. CMarcus Tullius Cicero. I consider the Roman Republic as the most democratic sytem in classical era, right after Athen.
And today, there isn't much democracy in republics, too. In Germany for example, there are federal votes all 4 years, otherwise you can't change sth. in political matters, except for the states. But the states don't have much power. So, democracy every 4 years, is that better? The tribunes were voted every year! And in the USA it's even worse. They elect a half-dictatorship (just don't know in which periods).

This isn't meant as an offense against any country. I like Germany(my home country) and the USA aswell. It's only to demonstrate how modern the Roman Republic was.

[Mont]

WOW!

[TW-fanboy]

Oh and IT: Actually the Roman Republic had the institution of a dictatorship. A dictator (a citizen of rome) got the whole power. He was in office for a half year, and he really had the status we would call dictator. But no dictator destroyed the republic or tried to gain dictatorship for life. Caesar became dictator for life after he actually had the power. And the Romans didn't hate dictators (a few were quite popular ) They always feared the renewal of a kingship in Rome(the reason Augustus called himself Principus - first man and not king).

[Knight of Heaven]

Oh and IT: Actually the Roman Republic had the institution of a dictatorship. A dictator (a citizen of rome) got the whole power. He was in office for a half year, and he really had the status we would call dictator. But no dictator destroyed the republic or tried to gain dictatorship for life. Caesar became dictator for life after he actually had the power. And the Romans didn't hate dictators (a few were quite popular ) They always feared the renewal of a kingship in Rome(the reason Augustus called himself Principus - first man and not king).

That is true however, to be a ditactor in a romam republic was like to be virtualy a king/emperor, temporary. When julius ceaser overtrow the optimates he didnt want change the system republic, he wanted to rule it. And this wasnt for the first time. the title dictator was given by the senate in times of crises to one of the consuls.
But Remenber sulla who take rome by force after his campaing against mitridates and he was dictator for life,for all porpuses. A king untill the time of his death, and the records show he wasnt so much popular, he ruled trough fear. when he capture rome by force of arms, he made a bloodshed also to install fear on the senate as well on the plebs.
When ceaser became dictator for life he was extremely popular, he balance the rome society when at the time she was unbalanced. He enacted laws who permited a better distribution of the riches among the citezens,policy folowed by augustus and his sucessors for quite some time. The aristocrátic republic was making the nobles richer and the equites and plebs poorer,this create a crises, who lead to a civil war in fact the republic at that time was a litle fragil.(of course the history is writen by the victors) The democracy on the present day is a lot difirent, then it was on the classic era, has well the republics. its true the ancient roman sistem of law, language,enginear,architeture among other things its still present on our society today(some societies) in one form or in the other,its also true very dangerous to make such analogies with the present, becouse its not quite the same, diferent values diferent context.diferent time and realities

[Mont]

I don't doubt what your saying, but voting for some of these people every four years sounds alot better than every year. Can you imagine all those election adds, party campaigning and stuff we would be hit with.