new elven arrow type

[permanent666]

first of all thank you for this fantastic mod - it's the best tw experience i have ever had!!! keep up the good work!

i just tried my first 1.1 custom battle sylvian elfs vs ootmm and my archers still use fire arrows?

has this something to do with darth mods battle mechanics or the undead nazgul submods i installed- or will the new arrows appear during campaign game only?

[miniwally]

why wouldn't archers use fire arrows?

[permanent666]

i thought the new arrow type will replace fire arrows

[miniwally]

what new arrow type?

[Xstar]

Yes, I'm also looking for this new "arrow type" mentioned in the 1.1 Patch notes.

[LordOfMordor]

I believe it mean elfs use there own arrow type when firing arrows its not a special like fire arrows.

[brandybarrel]

LordOfMordor is quite correct.

The elves have received a new arrow type that makes them slightly more accurate than regular arrows used by other factions in v1.1. Also, the elves do not have the special ability to use fiery arrows.

I hope this clears things up.

[mastermindkar]

To clarify, by "new arrow type" they don't mean an arrow special ability like fire arrows, but rather in the descr. unit file ranged units have different quality arrows, such as "bodkin" or "elite bodkin." These influence the accuracy of the unit. There isn't any indication of this in game, other than the increase in the units' accuracy.

[Blackomur89]

LordOfMordor is quite correct.
. Also, the elves do not have the special ability to use fiery arrows.

Yes but I instaled the 1.1 patch and TATWRC mod all of my elves can still use fire arows.

[Ratbag]

But why can't they use fire arrows anymore?
I often(almost always) use them seeing they can be very destructive on those Orcish hordes.

[mastermindkar]

Cuz elves are generally opposed to burning things? I don't know, although for the Silvan elves at least spraying fire arrows all over the forest does seem a bit questionable. Given the recent drive to make things more "realistic," I wouldn't be surprised if they were removed altogethor. Strapping a burning brand to your arrow is not going to make it any more dangerous, just much less accurate. That's how it went with RC, and I don't mind a bit. I was always a bit bothered to see people burst into flames when struck with an arrow.

[Oddball_E8]

Cuz elves are generally opposed to burning things? I don't know, although for the Silvan elves at least spraying fire arrows all over the forest does seem a bit questionable. Given the recent drive to make things more "realistic," I wouldn't be surprised if they were removed altogethor. Strapping a burning brand to your arrow is not going to make it any more dangerous, just much less accurate. That's how it went with RC, and I don't mind a bit. I was always a bit bothered to see people burst into flames when struck with an arrow.

ooooh, i hope they dont remove them alltogether...

cos i always use fire arrows when i play with orcs... it just looks right...

[Biggreenfellow]

Cuz elves are generally opposed to burning things? I don't know, although for the Silvan elves at least spraying fire arrows all over the forest does seem a bit questionable. Given the recent drive to make things more "realistic," I wouldn't be surprised if they were removed altogethor. Strapping a burning brand to your arrow is not going to make it any more dangerous, just much less accurate. That's how it went with RC, and I don't mind a bit. I was always a bit bothered to see people burst into flames when struck with an arrow.

Yet I believe that fire arrows were used in the past.. Wonder why they did that then, if it had no positive effects

[LordOfMordor]

You can still use fire arrows its a special ability not dependent on arrow type I believe.

[marceror]

I'm playing High Elves currently, and yes, fire arrows have been removed. Makes sense to me.

The new elven arrows are righteous bad arse. Elven archers are godly!

[Oddball_E8]

he means that it has no positive effect against infantry...

in real life fire arrows were used to set fire to the surroundings of the enemy... something that could prove quite advantageous, but doesnt happen in this game.
in this game fire arrows just decreas accuracy and rate of fire whilst increasing damage and causes fear...

[G.Seimore]

So I read about the new elven arrow types for 1.1 in many posts, but nowhere I can find a description on how it differs from normal arrows? What exactly do they do, what don't they do, what are their stats?

Thanks for the enlightenment!

[Feadhel]

Dude..

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=261818

[G.Seimore]

Dude..

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=261818

Thank for the link Feadhel, but I read that threat before. No definete (official) answeres in there. Just assumptions and contradictions. E.g. no "no more fire arrows for elves", which is not true, as I play high elves and all high elve archer units can still use fire arrows in 1.1.
So once again, what exactly do the new arrow types for the elves do? In what ways are they "superior" to normal arrows. E.g. do they get an armor piercing bonus?

Thanks

EDIT. Ahhh The gerat Kong was fast in answering! No more wild speculations! Thanks a bunch for the clarifications!

[King Kong]

elven arrow threads merged.

The new elven arrow has the only difference that it is more accurate than the other arrows.

The issue that the elves can't use fire arrows was actually a bug in patch 1.1 (though somehow it may even be reasonable that they don't use fire arrows), therefore I have a uploaded the new patch 1.1b within the first day.
If you can't use fire arrows and you want to, you may re-download the 1.1 patch or copy the attached file to ".../Medieval II Total War/mods/Third_Age/data" and overwrite the existing file.