17000 year old city in Peru?

[Ulyaoth]

A while ago I remember seeing on some show something about a city in Peru I think, made of massive stones bigger than the ones in the Pyramids and Machu Pichu and whatever else, perfectly cut to almost machined precision, and supposedly over 17,000 years old. Anyone know what this is, if this claim of it being 17000 years old is generally believed(the show was about aliens having created the pyramids and other such giant ancient structures, so who knows what nonsense the guys may have been saying).

From what I remember human civilizations are only supposed to be about 10,000 years old, but I've also heard stories about the pyramids being possibly over twice as old as originally believed and thus not made by who we think made them(although how could this make sense in terms of all the leadup monuments made by the Egyptians to get to the Great Pyramids?)

[6644kp]

sorry to burst your buble but you probably mean 1700 years and not 17000
and the oldest civilization is Sumeria. the ruins of this first civilization can be found in what is now Iraq and are 8000 years old. So far Sumeria is the grand daddy of civilization until an even older civ is found if an even older one exsits.

[CtrlAltDe1337]

sorry to burst your buble but you probably mean 1700 years and not 17000
and the oldest civilization is Sumeria. the ruins of this first civilization can be found in what is now Iraq and are 8000 years old. So far Sumeria is the grand daddy of civilization until an even older civ is found if an even older one exsits.

We don't know that; thats just all we know of at the current moment. Don't bluntly ignore potential evidence of older civilizations that could have existed.

[Ulyaoth]

Seeing as how I heard it, not read it, I mean 17,000. That's what they said, the whole point of the matter was them saying how it was older than known civilization and yet had perfectly flat edges with perfectly straight and uniform trenches cut into the rocks.

[Anachronist]

The oldest known civilization in Peru is the Caral civ which is at 3000 years old if i'm not mistaken.

[EireEmerald]

Seeing as how I heard it, not read it, I mean 17,000. That's what they said, the whole point of the matter was them saying how it was older than known civilization and yet had perfectly flat edges with perfectly straight and uniform trenches cut into the rocks.

first things first. were you high?

[Ulyaoth]

Ah, found the name of it. It's not a city, it's a temple complex.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumapunku

I think I remember now, they said they couldn't actually date the rocks for some reason, but said there were drawings of how the sky would have looked 17000 years ago and that's where they guessed that age from. Of course if we know how it'd look 17000 years ago, chances are they could too 3000 years ago.

[C-Rob]

Ah, found the name of it. It's not a city, it's a temple complex.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumapunku

I think I remember now, they said they couldn't actually date the rocks for some reason, but said there were drawings of how the sky would have looked 17000 years ago and that's where they guessed that age from. Of course if we know how it'd look 17000 years ago, chances are they could too 3000 years ago.

interesting enough. Though on that note, do they have pictures of the sky from 15000 years, 12000 years, their "modern day", and so on? If so, then I say, yes, they calculated it just as we do today(minus computers)






arial view from google earth.

astounding

[Flyboy]

The egyptians could not have built the pyramids. They are too large and geometrically perfect (loads of crap you can research to back that up). There are several other structures around the world that also could not have been built at the time of the civilizations they were associated with. This could very well have been another.

[BoJaN]

The egyptians could not have built the pyramids. They are too large and geometrically perfect (loads of crap you can research to back that up). There are several other structures around the world that also could not have been built at the time of the civilizations they were associated with. This could very well have been another.

Yes they could have..don't underestimate man ability and intelligence (even more loads of crap you can research to back that up).

[Pious Agnost]

I've heard of a civilization in the Americas around that age before...

They worked out the age by calculating how long ago it would have been an accurate calendar.

I think it was in the Yucatan though

[Tiberius Tosi]

The egyptians could not have built the pyramids. They are too large and geometrically perfect (loads of crap you can research to back that up). There are several other structures around the world that also could not have been built at the time of the civilizations they were associated with. This could very well have been another.

Man was every bit as smart, imaginative, and creative as we are now. The only difference is we have stuff to base our knowledge off of and build on. So don't underestimate what they were capable of.

Those rocks are amazingly cut. I didn't see it saying it was 17,000 years old on the wikipedia page though. That could have been that show trying to back up an alien claim by finding some random thing that could point to it maybe being 17,000 years old perhaps?

[CobraStallone]

The egyptians could not have built the pyramids. They are too large and geometrically perfect (loads of crap you can research to back that up). There are several other structures around the world that also could not have been built at the time of the civilizations they were associated with. This could very well have been another.

Bah, in a 1000 years they'll think that we couldn't have gone to space by ourselfs, and that aliens must have helped us.

[Tiberius Tosi]

Bah, in a 1000 years they'll think that we couldn't have gone to space by ourselfs, and that aliens must have helped us.

Hell there are people who think that now lol. I wonder if people saw other civilizations of the day and said "OMG ALIENZ must have built that!!!" (or Gods)

[Phier]

Bah, in a 1000 years they'll think that we couldn't have gone to space by ourselfs, and that aliens must have helped us.

Don't laugh, some already think thats how hit happened. It was all about the Area 51 spacecraft ya see.

[Phier]

The very very oldest estimates for possible humans in the Americas is less than 17000 years ago so I think some dates got messed up here.

[Otsman]

they had the puma punku site on the documentary called ancient aliens. basically, even people who completely discredit the fact that humans must have had help to build these structures are completely stumped when it comes to puma punku, because the stones there are cut so exact, and so fine that to do that with simple stone tools is virtually impossible even today. on some of those stones, there are lines cut that are 6 milimeters wide and 6 milimeters deep, running down the stones perfectly without any chips or cracks. the stones themselves are made of granite and diorite, so that means the only way to carve them is to use diomond tipped chisels

http://hubpages.com/hub/Ancient-Myst...-in-Tiahuanaco


this is unrelated, but for any lovers of ancient mysteries...
http://members.tripod.com/kon_artz/c...s/stonetec.htm
make sure to go through all the pages^

[6644kp]

We don't know that; thats just all we know of at the current moment. Don't bluntly ignore potential evidence of older civilizations that could have existed.

umm?

So far Sumeria is the grand daddy of civilization until an even older civ is found if an even older one exsits.

didnt you bother to read this part?

[DimondLight]

So far Sumeria is the grand daddy of civilization until an even older civ is found if an even older one exsits.

didnt you bother to read this part?

Didn't you bother to read that part?

[EireEmerald]

they had the puma punku site on the documentary called ancient aliens. basically, even people who completely discredit the fact that humans must have had help to build these structures are completely stumped when it comes to puma punku, because the stones there are cut so exact, and so fine that to do that with simple stone tools is virtually impossible even today. on some of those stones, there are lines cut that are 6 milimeters wide and 6 milimeters deep, running down the stones perfectly without any chips or cracks. the stones themselves are made of granite and diorite, so that means the only way to carve them is to use diomond tipped chisels

http://hubpages.com/hub/Ancient-Myst...-in-Tiahuanaco


this is unrelated, but for any lovers of ancient mysteries...
http://members.tripod.com/kon_artz/c...s/stonetec.htm
make sure to go through all the pages^

thats pretty impressive.