"Make Peace with Friend" - "Declare War on Enemy"

**upsettingshorts** · May 16, 2009, 07:46 AM

I mean when you are engaging in diplomacy with other nations, asking them to make peace with, or declare war on, a third party.

I feel like these diplomatic options missing from the game deserve it's own thread.

* Especially in this era
* Especially the way diplomacy "works"
* Especially since wars tend to go on for the entire game

Is there any good reason why these were left out? At the very least, they would allow the player to manage some of the problems of the CAI themselves. In addition, players and developers can argue endlessly about what "proper" CAI behaves like, adding these features to the game, and making them slightly overpowered (if we abuse them that's our problem) would go a long way towards giving everyone what they want.

(If you require further clarification of what I mean, browse the next few posts of mine in this thread)

**♔GrinningManiac♔** · May 16, 2009, 08:09 AM

Sorry if I sound stupid, but can't you declare war on enemies anyway? And how would you make peace with a friend? They're friends, you aren't at war.

Do you mean something else? I just don't understand the question

**upsettingshorts** · May 16, 2009, 08:11 AM

I mean when you are engaging in diplomacy with other nations, asking them to make peace with, or declare war on, a third party.

This was an option in previous TW games.

**erasmus777** · May 16, 2009, 08:14 AM

I do miss that. It was fun to throw your weight around once you got powerful.

You should probably clarify your OP--I didn't understand your point until your response either.

**upsettingshorts** · May 16, 2009, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by erasmus777

I do miss that. It was fun to throw your weight around once you got powerful.

I don't really care about that, what I think the options could be used for is to allow the player to shape the political climate themselves because the CAI is so bad at it.

Originally Posted by erasmus777

You should probably clarify your OP--I didn't understand your point until your response either.

Done.

**Amish Electrician** · May 16, 2009, 08:27 AM

Oh! I understand it now.

Yeah, I think it should be added back. Especially considering how much it was done in the colonies.

**Emperor of The Great Unknown** · May 16, 2009, 08:28 AM

what started the Frech and Indian War and the War of 1813.

**♔GrinningManiac♔** · May 16, 2009, 10:35 AM

Oh!

Ask them to make peace or war! I get it! Yes, this would be brilliant.

I also think there should be other options other than straight-out asking or threatening, too

**Skyline Pete** · May 16, 2009, 10:36 AM

I don't recall there ever being a "Make Peace with X" option being in any of the games?

I do recall seeing the AI making peace treaties of their own accord in Med2 as well as ceasefires occurring when the player forms an alliance with one of the parties if neither are at war with the player.

**Sevasti** · May 16, 2009, 10:48 AM

Yes! OMG YES!

That was how I used to play MTW2, I loved to make schemes and luring unsuspecting nations into war with each other for my own purposes. I don't have that possibility anymore and have to rely on brute strength alone and the occasional backup from fickle allies. I miss being the puppet master.

**Vetinari** · May 16, 2009, 11:37 AM

I badly miss it in this TW.

Situation: hey I made a peace with someone, hey what about my ally, I want to make peace too

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Or odd situation when you make a new protectorate from someone to make peace but your ally is still at war with them.

This really need to be returned into old good days

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**upsettingshorts** · May 16, 2009, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Skyline Pete

I don't recall there ever being a "Make Peace with X" option being in any of the games?

I do recall seeing the AI making peace treaties of their own accord in Med2 as well as ceasefires occurring when the player forms an alliance with one of the parties if neither are at war with the player.

You're correct I believe. Make Peace With is an option in the Civ series and that's probly where I was getting it from.