Dol Guldur

[ISA Gunner]

Right, so as far as i know it was Sauron's huge fortress in the north from where had huge amounts of Orcs stationed. So why is it a large town? I mean, could have at least been a castle let alone a fortress or citadel. Just wondering as to why it isn't. Had it not been build by then? If so it should then be a wooden castle at least.

[Kiljaden]

I agree that it should be a castle.

[Withwnar]

I was a little surprised by this too. So it could have buildings not available to castles perhaps?

It's good in that it has forced me to take and hold Thoronburg (?) as my castle in the area. And hold it for a good length of time before culture is high enough to recruit there. It's in a more strategic position than Dol Guldur too.

Which then reduces the need for Dol Guldur to also be a castle and it can focus more on income generation.

[ISA Gunner]

But when i play as Mordor, the Silvan Elves are really quite strong and i would much rather have Dol Guldur as a fortress that is a lot easier to defend and hold then a town.

[Muffer Nl]

Mordor should fight on the plaisn where they can swamp the enemy, not in small streets where numbers don't count.

[ISA Gunner]

Mordor should fight on the plaisn where they can swamp the enemy, not in small streets where numbers don't count.

Fortresses and Citadels have a lot of open space within them and that helps surround and swamp the enemy whilst firing upon them with archers on walls and the towers.

[Muffer Nl]

Mordor should not defend they should attack!

[Withwnar]

Mordor should fight on the plaisn where they can swamp the enemy, not in small streets where numbers don't count.

Or make Dol Guldur a fortress, as they did in the books. Yes, lore-wise it should be a castle.

On the other hand, Dol Guldur was destroyed in the books. Maybe the mod reflects this, so that when the Silvans retake it they don't have a castle there. Come to think of it, they don't start off with any castles in this mod - none exist in their forests.

[Muffer Nl]

Or make Dol Guldur a fortress, as they did in the books. Yes, lore-wise it should be a castle.

On the other hand, Dol Guldur was destroyed in the books. Maybe the mod reflects this, so that when the Silvans retake it they don't have a castle there. Come to think of it, they don't start off with any castles in this mod - none exist in their forests.

It was destroyed after the war of the ring.

[Withwnar]

It was destroyed after the war of the ring.

Oh. I thought that the White Council destroyed it before then, when Gandalf left the Dwarves for a while in "The Hobbit".

EDIT: just did some checking: absolutely correct. They didn't destroy it then, just scared off Sauron.

EDIT: However, my reading didn't mention anything about Dol Guldur being a fortress. Was that an assumption on my part? It used to be the Elven capital of Greenwood, so was probably a city. I'm sure that Sauron would have fortified it though. He liked evil fortresses, just like his 'dad'.

[Baron Thunder-ten-tronckh]

I had thought that Sauron left Dol Guldur and had gone to Mordor. Did Dol Guldur become the basis for attacks? Was this where the armies that attacked Lothlorien came from?

[Muffer Nl]

Yeah

[ISA Gunner]

Exactly, you don't have vast amounts of Legions in towns now do you. Dol Guldur was the base point for his Northern War against the Elves of Mirkwood and Lothlorien and more than likely against Dale and the Dwarves (if he had won).

[Hallow]

Exactly, you don't have vast amounts of Legions in towns now do you. Dol Guldur was the base point for his Northern War against the Elves of Mirkwood and Lothlorien and more than likely against Dale and the Dwarves (if he had won).

Just pointing out that Saurons northern plan was to crush Dale and Dwarves with legions of easterlings then have those same easterlings be the hammer on Thranduil and he be the anvil. Then he would gather everything up and take out Lothlorien. Sadly for him the army of the west crushed him in the southern theatre which crippled the morale of the easterlings fighting in Dale making them rout from the gates of Erebor. This enabled the combined forces of lothlorien and Thranduil to take out Dol Guldur.

[ISA Gunner]

Nope it was a fortress. It says in the war of the ring books that it was his fortress.

[Withwnar]

Yes, further reading said the same thing. Makes sense that it would be.

[Muffer Nl]

Oh. I thought that the White Council destroyed it before then, when Gandalf left the Dwarves for a while in "The Hobbit".

EDIT: just did some checking: absolutely correct. They didn't destroy it then, just scared off Sauron.

EDIT: However, my reading didn't mention anything about Dol Guldur being a fortress. Was that an assumption on my part? It used to be the Elven capital of Greenwood, so was probably a city. I'm sure that Sauron would have fortified it though. He liked evil fortresses, just like his 'dad'.

Well his 'dad' was either a Vala or Illuvitar...
Melkor was just his Mentor. Like the guy in scrubs. An evil mentor

[Withwnar]

That's why I put in single quotes. It wasn't meant literally.

[Muffer Nl]

Then you should just have said Menotr or Boss or teacher or something else like that but not "'dad'"

[Withwnar]

It was a joke. And I thought that putting it in quotes would indicate that I didn't mean it literally. Obviously not. Nevermind.