Announcement Concerning Textures and Models Created by DisgruntledGoat

[Space Voyager]

"Intentionally try to understand??"

Would you please read the first sentence of my post again? Because you seem to be doing it again.

[marceror]

Would you please read the first sentence of my post again? Because you seem to be doing it again.

You know, this matter is long since resolved. I obviously meant "mis"understand. I noticed my mistake yesterday, but I got things addressed with DG, so it wasn't worth correcting/editing the mistake. Your bringing it up now is rather petty.

[AmiR TimuR]

I think it is just killing the will of people who want to do something. It is just fan made mod, it is not necessary to limit it IMO. and everyone is not professional like D.G. and although they do worse work than D.G. we should respect, because they gave time for it.

In any case modeller and skinner is not so much at this forum and we should support them instead of impeding...

[Hellenikon]

Well, imagine that you create, with much hard effort, your best painting up to date.

Then you publish it and find that some people (who are not artists) do not like it, and want to change it.

They take it and change a few colours and then release it as "painting improved".

So the original artist basically see how his "children" (work of which he is proud) is being used by people who will not improve in any way the original

The artist make it so his work must remain unaltered and if someone wants to change it then he must have the artist´s approval. To avoid "copies modified" of the original version running around without the artist knowing.

I think is pretty clear. If you want to modify something from DG just tell him first, and if it´s something useful (or original, well done) i am pretty sure that he´ll give permission.

[AmiR TimuR]

Well, imagine that you create, with much hard effort, your best painting up to date.

Then you publish it and find that some people (who are not artists) do not like it, and want to change it.

They take it and change a few colours and then release it as "painting improved".

So the original artist basically see how his "children" (work of which he is proud) is being used by people who will not improve in any way the original

The artist make it so his work must remain unaltered and if someone wants to change it then he must have the artist´s approval. To avoid "copies modified" of the original version running around without the artist knowing.

I think is pretty clear. If you want to modify something from DG just tell him first, and if it´s something useful (or original, well done) i am pretty sure that he´ll give permission.

so do not release them, just sell. It is not what the modding is.

everyone likes different colours, different things in this life so they can change however they want but ''painting improved'' is not ethic word as you said. just if someone changes and shares it, he can thank its creator and say this is what i like and I am sharing it.

what changes if someone uses his part of skins with new model and then thank to D.G.?

It is not insulting, it is something to be proud IMO.

[Oddball_E8]

actually i think its a good thing...

most "new" modders nowadays just think they can take anyone elses stuff and modify it without any credit to them...

[DisgruntledGoat]

I have only been asked by 3 peole despite all of the discussion in this thread, mainly by people who seem to not be doing any modding. Of those three 1 got permission, 1 got a deferral until I could see some actual work (they planned extensive use of the textures and models but hadn't done anything like this before so I could not FAIRLY judge what they would be doing. Since they had a huge scope, creating some work independent of mine I didn't see as an issue). And 1 person was requested not to use them. They are in fact the first person I have EVER, in my 5 years of being in this community out of the hundreds (possibly thousands) of requests I have recieved declined to allow. And in all likelyhood they will get permission down the line.

As to the long winded post claiming I was rude for explaining moral rights. Your a tad sensitve mate. That wasn't rude, but saying your post was long winded and pointless. That was rude. So now you can complain that I am rude and unreasonable, even though my position is THE EXACT position of this forums administrators. I'm pretty sure I explained myself, that I do not wish to see my works altered in a that I feel "destroys" their original intent. Whats so hard to grasp. In fact everyone in this thread is looking far to deeply. This has nothing to do with other mod team members. Notice how the announcement title is mention only works by me. Obviously the same rules apply to work by KK or Shredder. But I am merely reminding people and explaining MY rules to them. Stop digging for deeper meaning. If you want to use my textures or models to ALTER them ASK ME VIA PM FIRST. IN ALL LIKELYHOOD YOU WILL BE GIVEN PERMISSION.

What is it with this community and its ability to get riled up over nothing. I've been applying these rules to all my works releases for years and this is the first time that have a bunch of people (not even people modding) are complaining about them. You guys drive me insane.

[Lap]

And 1 person was requested not to use them. They are in fact the first person I have EVER, in my 5 years of being in this community out of the hundreds (possibly thousands) of requests I have recieved declined to allow.
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I bet they are feeling real good about themselves right now.

Well looks like there's no will for actual discussion or response to anything brought up here. Still no idea why this is specifically dedicated to just DG's work.

[marceror]

Still no idea why this is specifically dedicated to just DG's work.

Well that one seems easy enough, actually. He's the only modder on the team who has decided to invoke his right in this way. If you wanted to make a TATW submod that didn't include the models/skins created by DG, you wouldn't need to request permission. Hope that clarifies that matter for you.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Well that one seems easy enough, actually. He's the only modder on the team who has decided to invoke his right in this way. If you wanted to make a TATW submod that didn't include the models/skins created by DG, you wouldn't need to request permission. Hope that clarifies that matter for you.

I don't understand why some people need so much clarification. + rep for you for actually understanding this, frankly very simple, situation.

[Soul Firez]

good now thats settled time for this section closed and back to work DG "cracks whip" i want to see eriador up to the same amazing standard you did to rhunj/k

[Oddball_E8]

oh theyre just annoyed that you brought out the rule to their attention... they all knew it was there, but they could conveniently ignore it (like jaywalking) but now that you brought it out they were reminded that someone actually created all this stuff, and if they want to change that stuff the polite thing to do is to ask for permission...

in all my days as a modder (not that ive done anything big or nothing, but still... ive modified other peoples stuff) ive never ever been declined a request to use someones stuff in a mod...
ask first... its just a polite thing to do...

EDIT: also, this mostly goes to modding artistic work... not coding for some reason... i know that might sound wierd but i guess people think it takes more talent to do artistic modding than coding... go figure...

[AmiR TimuR]

if D.G. lets people use his works by requesting permission and adding him to credits, I see no problem.

[DisgruntledGoat]

if D.G. lets people use his works by requesting permission and adding him to credits, I see no problem.

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When had I said ANYTHING different from that. You guys have been reading to damn far into this.

[AmiR TimuR]

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When had I said ANYTHING different from that. You guys have been reading to damn far into this.

Sorry, sometimes your english is complicated for me

So If you let people to mod by permission, discussion is over for me

[Achilla]

Imo, just close the topic already ;d If someone is too ignorant to see this thread on the top of the page and not even care to send a PM then ... let TWcenter mods deal with him already. Enough arguing

[DisgruntledGoat]

The textures and models found in Third Age: Total War used for the Easterling faction are the intellectual property of their creator DisgruntledGoat. These models and textures were created for the sole use of the Third Age mod and specifically for the official development team and King Kong. As their creator I have the final say in which way they may be used and released.

To maintain the integrity of the work, as is a fundemental right given to any creator of intellectual property, I am forbiding their use in any mod other than the official TATW release. This means sub mods for TATW and other mods not in the LotR genre may not use the material unless permission is expressly given by their creator, DisgruntledGoat.

The TWC recognizes the rights of the modders to protect their modding materials and will enforce the rules of intellectual property rights. Any mods that are posted for public consumption that contains my textures OR models that did not have my written permission will be reported to the administration.

Regards,

DisgruntledGoat

Can a mod please sticky this.

Please read the bolded parts. That will explain everything for you.

[marceror]

I had read your original post completely, and understood it. It was your later posts that got me a little off track, and I just wanted to reconcile things. The message here is, "when in doubt, refer to the original post."

Got it. Thx.

[vilil]

Well, lucky for us, great Leonardo didn't paint Mona Lisa in our times. Imagine now, if any1 want to do his version of ML, he should ask Leonardo for permission!? Original is original, it can be billions of ML, but only one is original. Same with work of DisgruntledGoat. Or some of the moders here are something ultra-turbo-special, that their work is beyond imagination!? What a crap!

[marceror]

I don't know DG from Adam, but something tells me... he's not in the mood for your jokes. Call it a hunch!