Rohan needs a buff

[{II}Sovereign]

all the mumakills were unranked at the beginning mind you and I even gave rohan some good rankings and they still didn't bring down 1 of them

[JonSnow]

I suggest using RC...

[MadTiest]

Were both armies equally expensive?
5x Oliphaunts is >30k in custom battle.
3000 soldiers is about 20 units of Rohan soldier and probably more like half that

(Unless you bought 40 units of cavalry, in which case you should download the better cavalry engagement mod which should help)

Also, try playing the battle with Rohan as well and see how it turns out.

[shepdozejr]

mumakil are almost impossible to kill, but rohan's units aren't half bad. i think it's more of the mumakil that need to be nerf'd a bit. i've got a couple of armies in a harad campaign with a few mumakil units in them and i havent lost a single one yet. fought lots of battles, just send in the mumakil, battle over, even against a full army.

[xan0therxnumberx]

i agree with shepdozejr mumakil=way overpowered even for mumakil

Edit: same with trolls

[wupwup]

i agree with shepdozejr mumakil=way overpowered even for mumakil

Edit: same with trolls

wong. put one capapult in your army and you win. you nearly allways hit(big tatgets ) and they die instantly. then teh others usuraly stampede.

[Nazgûl Killer]

Guys, listen to the guys posted before you.
Get RC, Real Combat, in the submod category.
It helps a bunch, especially with cavalry vs. Mumakils.

[Kolaris8472]

Bah, that's preposterous.

The Rohan Skirmishers completely destroy Mumakil. I'd almost say they're underpowered vs Rohan.

[maxi90]

well, they do cost 6500 to rectuit and 2000 every turn you know? if they started diyng after a few battles i would want my money back

[Ahlerich]

well, they do cost 6500 to rectuit and 2000 every turn you know? if they started diyng after a few battles i would want my money back

no refund!




doesnt miths submod fix charges? sorry cant remember all submods in installed but at least one fixes charges so they might be more effective then.
dont know how to kill mumankils but i assume the best way would be javelinmen - does gondor get some later? are spearmen effective against mumankils?

i never fought them so i dont go out with lots of advices. this was probably a battle like rock versus scissors - so no way to win i guess.

[MaxTurbator]

As it has been mentioned above, the best way to kill mumakils is with the use of javelins, ballistas,
fire arrows (they rout!), and throw in some spearmen, as mumakils still count as cavalry and spearman get their bonus against them
Best way to know is testing it in custom battles.

[aurther]

mumakil are ok for the cost imo. its trolls that are OP per cost.

[tlatoani]

the mumakils are hard to kill but easy to rout just attack them like normal elephants with fire arrows, javelins and they will start running amok the trolls in the other hand well you can't rout them at least I haven't routed any unit of trolls slaying them is the only way.

[the_mango55]

Did you give them any mounted skirmishers?

I played a custom battle against rohan they had 2 units of mounted skirmishers, they killed my unit of mumakil pretty easily.

[Space Voyager]

People seem to think that their favourite unit should be able to kill everything in their path... But for some things it is good that the game demands a specialized answer, especially if it is not even an expensive one.

I guess the Rohan's army composition was REALLY inappropriate for mumakils. He should retreat and train some skirmishers. Now, that is hard to tell to the AI...

[The Sixth Wizard]

Real Combat makes it so it's Harad's Mumakil that need the buff. In fact in RC all evil factions need to be buffed as their economies are not enough to compete with the good factions' better units.

[Muffer Nl]

Well you can defeat almost any Rohan army with 4 units of Rangers unless their archers heavily outnumber you.
Just pu up a small square of stakes on the back of your deployment area and start luring them towards it. Once the cavalry charges just stand in the square and fire some volleys from close range, fire works well here. Most of their units rout after a single volley.

[Humakty]

I crushed an Isengard army mostly consisting of infantry and skirmishers (4000+) with much less than 1500 rohan guys, so I wonder what is the problem ?
Let me sum up their flaws :
-excellent cavalry, very complete with horsearchers (killers) and javelins (bye bye mumakil)
-good infantry : ok spearmen, AP duddes, good swordsmen
-good archers : just inferior to elves and gondor

I'm surely forgetting stuff, as I'm at the beginning of my campaign, and have yet to see their top tier units. But I'll surely be disappointed... Whut ! No Bazookas ! A scandal !

[zero0609]

Mumakil are way too underpowered, I easily killed 4 unit of mumakil(which cost almost 2k) with 5 unit of rohan skirmishers, does that mean Harad needs a buff?

[Pastafarian]

And here i was thinking Rohan was overpowered. All my battles consisted of Horsearchers and different types of rohan cavalry around 500-700 units vs 3000 guess who wins and how easy? All i need to do is make everyone attack the general and and the horses will break through the defenses(even aginst spearmen). Yes i have the better cavalry engagement.