400 civilians are killed by Sri lankan army

[BlackPirate]

This was one of the deadliest incidents in this war.In the past 24 hours about 400 civilians died by shelling.Independent sources accuse Sri lankan army for this incident although Sri Lankan army denies it and blames Tamil Tigers
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8042341.stm

[Exarch]

me dead
all those ppl

[Norpheus]

Why do they have to be in such a rush?
Take it slow and exterminate those rebels slow and safely. Its not like a communist/sionist/nazi infection.

[b_133]

Why do they have to be in such a rush?
Take it slow and exterminate those rebels slow and safely. Its not like a communist/sionist/nazi infection.

Did you just compare zionists with Nazis? Nice.

What a disgusting display, a clear crime. The Sri Lankan Army has been completely going no holds barred in this war, completely unrestricted by the International community, and allowed to do what it wants. This is quite clearly them punishing the Tamil civilians who were sympathetic to the Tigers.

Not that anyone cares. Like Darfur, and Zimbabwe. It's not Israel and Palestine.

And did you just admit that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is disporportionally covered and given too much attention on the account of other, more deadly conflicts?
We're getting somewhere. This is a start.

On Topic - disgusting. That makes like, what, 7,000 civilians dead so far since the renewal of hostilities?
I'm sorry i had to bring up Israel again, but it just proves the media bias and above all the uselessness of the UN and selective moral outrage of alot of leftists who went out on the street advocating human rights and equating Israel to Nazi Germany.
Funny how the world is completely silent now. But not surprising.
Why doesn't India try to intervene?

[removeduser_052420]

Why doesn't India try to intervene?

India, for a long time, supported the Tamil Tigers, so i'm pretty sure Lanka doesn't want India to interfere at all. Hindustan learned it's lesson when Rajiv Gandhi got assassinated.

[Каие]

And did you just admit that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is disporportionally covered and given too much attention on the account of other, more deadly conflicts?
We're getting somewhere. This is a start.

No. It just so happens that the Sri Lankans don't have support of the biggest lobbying group in the world, which lobbies at the most powerful legislature on earth. So naturally, it gets no attention, as no one has managed to convince the US government that Sri Lanka is America's greatest ally, and the success of Sri Lanka is needed the USS's secuirity.

[b_133]

No. It just so happens that the Sri Lankans don't have support of the biggest lobbying group in the world, which lobbies at the most powerful legislature on earth. So naturally, it gets no attention, as no one has managed to convince the US government that Sri Lanka is America's greatest ally, and the success of Sri Lanka is needed the USS's secuirity.

Ahh, another overrating of AIPAC.
Here i thought we actually made some progress and that someone here would agree that so many dead Tamils are worth a headline.
No, Palestinian lives are obviously of higher value.

[Burnum]

No, Palestinian lives are obviously of higher value.

Obviously not too Israelis. When your willing too bomb the crap out of a population with no where too run or hide, I think an Israeli is the last person who should comment on the value of Palestinian lives.

[Каие]

Ahh, another overrating of AIPAC.

Dismiss all you want, but the facts of course say otherwise.

Here i thought we actually made some progress and that someone here would agree that so many dead Tamils are worth a headline.
No, Palestinian lives are obviously of higher value.

Nice distortion of what I wrote, but it's not as if I am surprised or as if this method is a new one.

[Von Reichgraf]

Did you just compare zionists with Nazis? Nice.

Well, they DO share a Z,the most insidious of letters.

And did you just admit that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is disporportionally covered and given too much attention on the account of other, more deadly conflicts?
We're getting somewhere. This is a start.

On Topic - disgusting. That makes like, what, 7,000 civilians dead so far since the renewal of hostilities?
I'm sorry i had to bring up Israel again, but it just proves the media bias and above all the uselessness of the UN and selective moral outrage of alot of leftists who went out on the street advocating human rights and equating Israel to Nazi Germany.
Funny how the world is completely silent now. But not surprising.
Why doesn't India try to intervene?

The posterboy position of the Israel conflict is not merely a result of lefty-rage and anti-semitism, insinuating that is fallacious and a big no-no. It's not as if you alot of "i support the Sudani/ Lankan government!" userbars here on the internets.

I do agree on the disproportion of media-coverage, and it's infuriating to see the apathy most governments have to atrocities when the regions where they happen are of little strategic or economic interest.

[0N3]

These cleary shows that tamils are using (or trying to use) civilians for cover,, just like dirty hamas

[Каие]

What a disgusting display, a clear crime. The Sri Lankan Army has been completely going no holds barred in this war, completely unrestricted by the International community, and allowed to do what it wants. This is quite clearly them punishing the Tamil civilians who were sympathetic to the Tigers.

Not that anyone cares. Like Darfur, and Zimbabwe. It's not Israel and Palestine.

[Arjun]

This was one of the deadliest incidents in this war.In the past 24 hours about 400 civilians died by shelling.Independent sources accuse Sri lankan army for this incident although Sri Lankan army denies it and blames Tamil Tigers
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8042341.stm

yeah; its sickening to say the least!! and 400 is the "smallest" figure that's verifiable...with the doctors saying that those were the numbers of bodies brought to the hospital(which too was attacked by the lankan military)...the doctors claim that a lot of the dead would have been buried/left where they fell...the real number would be as much as 1000 dead or more!

and lets not forget that nearly 1200 are injured too.

Why do they have to be in such a rush?
Take it slow and exterminate those rebels slow and safely. Its not like a communist/sionist/nazi infection.

cos it was never about the Rebels in the first place. Its the same thing the lankan government has been doing from the 1950s onwards! and there wernt any rebels till the early80s/late 70.....in fact the rebels were the direct result of 30 years of Government sponsored Pogroms against the Tamils.

What a disgusting display, a clear crime. The Sri Lankan Army has been completely going no holds barred in this war, completely unrestricted by the International community, and allowed to do what it wants. This is quite clearly them punishing the Tamil civilians who were sympathetic to the Tigers.

Not that anyone cares. Like Darfur, and Zimbabwe. It's not Israel and Palestine.

exactly, and this has been going on for almost 60 years now. and no one bother's cos there aint any oil/ countries with oil/religious affiliations nearby. And the fact that The Tamils are Hindus, Christians and the rebels were secular did not help either.

These cleary shows that tamils are using (or trying to use) civilians for cover,, just like dirty hamas

you gotta be kidding me mate. Im from that place myself, and i can provide evidence (from international NGO's that clearly show that the Lankan government specifically targeting the civilians) .Comparing Tamil rebels to the Hamas shows how little you know about this whole issue. Do you really like alienating people who have nothing against Israel?

in fact; check this thread out; it has Leaked UN satellite images that put the lie to the Lankan military's claim that the Civilians are not being targeted


Leaked UN satellite images show "haven for Sri Lanka refugees" was bombed by the Srilankan Military

And did you just admit that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is disporportionally covered and given too much attention on the account of other, more deadly conflicts?
We're getting somewhere. This is a start.

i totally agree with that part. this conflict has claimed more civilian lives in the last few months than did the Israeli-Palestinian one did in the past few years put together. And yeah...no foreign news agencies are allowed to go to the region...the government has banned them(lest their human rights abuses be brought to light)

On Topic - disgusting. That makes like, what, 7,000 civilians dead so far since the renewal of hostilities?

according to the UN, almost 7000 civilian deaths caused by the Lankan military in the first 3 months of this year alone...

Why doesn't India try to intervene?

india is ruled by the good for nothing dynastic-political party; the congress. At least when the BJP were in power they had an arms embargo on Srilanka.

and China and Iran are the biggest suppliers of arms to Srilanka. and one can easily guess why they do that.....Cos the chinese are about to get a naval port(gift of the lankan government) and the Iranians cos the Lankan president is the head of the "world palestenian solidarity movement" ...how ironic is that!

India, for a long time, supported the Tamil Tigers, so i'm pretty sure Lanka doesn't want India to interfere at all. Hindustan learned it's lesson when Rajiv Gandhi got assassinated.

its not as simple as that...The Congress run India at that time was arm-twisting the rebels into accepting an agreement which the then Indian premier(who was a novice in politics) was fooled into believing by the then Lankan president.

lol..Srilanka was the only nation during the indo-pak wars to allow pakistani warplanes to re-fuel in its soil..hence enabling the pakistani planes to fly to Bangaladesh(then east pakistan) and continue the war that would have ended way sooner if not for the Lankan aid to pakistan. If somehow the assassination of an Ex-indian pm would make india say nothing now...what do you think it would have did for an overt pro-pakistani stand the Lankans took during the war? the assassination thing is just hogwash by the Congress party.

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from the Human Rights Watch

Sri Lanka: Repeated Shelling of Hospitals Evidence of War Crimes
30 Attacks Reported on Medical Facilities Since December


Srilanka Arrests and Deports British Journalists who accused the government of war crimes

^^ typical behavior by a genocidal regime. What we have here is a rouge nation.



The government does not allow any foreign news media to interview people or even visit the affected regions because it fears its human rights abuses would be brought to light. The srilankan president faces genocide charges filed against him the Us courts (he is a dual lankan, Us citizen)

[Burnum]

The government does not allow any foreign news media to interview people or even visit the affected regions because it fears its human rights abuses would be brought to light. The srilankan president faces genocide charges filed against him the Us courts (he is a dual lankan, Us citizen)

When will the War crime trials be for the Tamils who committed Atrocities against Muslim Women Children and men praying in mosques? You speak of Pogroms against Tamils in the 60's/70's and 80's, what about Pogroms against Muslims in the 90's? Do you think Genocide charges should be pursued against Tamils?

I have little sympathy for the Sri Lankan government and their actions, but it's not as if the opposing side hasn't committed large share of atrocities as well.

[Arjun]

When will the War crime trials be for the Tamils who committed Atrocities against Muslim Women Children and men praying in mosques? You speak of Pogroms against Tamils in the 60's/70's and 80's, what about Pogroms against Muslims in the 90's? Do you think Genocide charges should be pursued against Tamils?

I have little sympathy for the Sri Lankan government and their actions, but it's not as if the opposing side hasn't committed large share of atrocities as well.

Burnum , as usual your post highlights your half-baked knowledge about this issue. War crimes by "Tamils'? lol if you read my post; i was clear in making the distinction between the "Sinhalese people" and the "Srilankan government" (which is of course of the Majority Sinhalese). If you read my posts; never would you find that i generalize the entire Sinhalese race as you do the Tamils. I really think you need to get yur facts straight before you go about making such sweeping generalizations. its like saying "all the Germans should be prosecuted for the actions of the Nazis"...you do realize how silly that sounds right?


as for the issue about Muslims; do you know the other half of the story? There were Muslim vs Tamil riots in the eastern province for some years even before this happened. should i get into detail about Muslim bands (so called Islamic Jihad groups) that went about poisoning the wells in the neighboring Tamil villages with cyanide?? or the attacks on those villages which left dozens of civilians dead?


I do not condone the eviction of muslims from the Tamil lands nor do I condone the attacks against them by certain factions within the rebel groups.(oh by the way; guess what..the rebel turncoat who split from the rebels and sided with the government; was the one implicated in the attacks against the Mulisms. now he is part of the Srilankan government's paramilitary/death squads. so I would say it would better serve you to have the lankan government dragged to the Hauge too as the culprits are part of it now )

stop trying to portray the muslims here as some innocent party who were attacked all of a sudden. And also do not forget that even though the normal muslim civilian was not interested in these rebellion or the governments policies..their politicians(the muslim politicians) were strongly in the Government's side and were instrumental in fostering animosity between the Tamil and Muslim villagers. And sadly enough; the rise of the Islamic Jihad against Tamils was but a cunning plan by the Lankan government ...and your fellow compatriots fell for it.

and last but not the least, the anti tamil pogroms of the 50s,60 and 70s were not retaliatory at all...the Tamils did not incite them nor attack anyone; whereas the eviction of Muslims was the culmination of an almost decade long strife between those two communities. So yeah...pls do learn a bit more about these incidents before voicing your support for the muslim faction. i know that because you are a muslim, you are bound to support them anyways; but at least try not to make sweeping generalization

Oh yeah, there is the big issue around migrant worker's descendents. I had forgotten all about that. Though that figure looks more likethe proportion of Tamils of Indian descent rather than Tamils who can'tget citizenship.
None the less, we're not talking about the occupation of a teritory outside of one's normalised state boundries.

You are correct; those 30-40% were Tamils of Indian descent. The others however are the Lankan (the proper term is Eelam) Tamils; the sons and daughters of the soil.


But then again; the Lankan government's action of denying citizenship to the portion of Tamils with Indian ancestry was but a clever ploy to further reduce the voting power of the minorities...after all a lot of so called "Sinhalese" are but recent migrants...the current president has Indian roots if one is willing to go back 5 generations.


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UN decries Sri Lanka 'bloodbath;' 106 children die

COLOMBO, Sri Lanka – The United Nations condemned a "bloodbath" in Sri Lanka's northern war zone Monday after two days of shelling that a government doctor said killed as many as 1,000 ethnic Tamil civilians — including 106 children.



Volunteers dug mass graves in the marshland, putting 50 to 60 bodies in each pit, according to Dr. V. Shanmugarajah, who works at a makeshift hospital in the war zone. He said one nurse was killed along with his family in a trench that was then filled with soil and turned into their grave.


Shanmugarajah said the hospital was so short-staffed that many of those wounded in the first barrage late Saturday had still not been treated Monday morning. "The hospital death rate is increasing, but we are helpless," he said.

"The U.N. has consistently warned against the bloodbath scenario as we've watched the steady increase in civilian deaths over the last few months," U.N. spokesman Gordon Weiss said Monday. "The large-scale killing of civilians over the weekend, including the deaths of more than 100 children, shows that that bloodbath has become a reality."


The first barrage struck the tiny sliver of northeast coast still held by the rebels Saturday evening and lasted through the night, health officials said.


Sunday evening, a new round of shelling — less intense than the first — pounded a newly demarcated "safe zone" where the government had urged civilians to gather, said Shanmugarajah.




A total of 393 people were either brought to the hospital for burial or died at the facility Sunday, while another 37 bodies were brought in Monday morning, he said. The dead included 106 children, he said. More than 1,300 wounded civilians came to the hospital as well.




However, the death toll was likely far higher, he said. Many of the dead were buried in the bunkers where they had taken refuge and then were killed, and many of the wounded never made it to the hospital for treatment.
"There were many who died without medical attention," Shanmugarajah said. "Seeing the number of wounded and from what the people tell me, I estimate the death toll to be around 1,000."




Reports of the fighting are difficult to verify because the government bars journalists and aid workers from the war zone. The attacks marked the bloodiest assault on ethnic Tamil civilians since the civil war flared again more than three years ago.


U.N. figures compiled last month showed that nearly 6,500 civilians had been killed in three months of fighting this year as the government drove the rebels out of their strongholds in the north and vowed to end the war.


Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and other rights groups called on Japan, the largest international donor to Sri Lanka, to press the U.N. Security Council to urgently address the civil war here.


"Formal meetings of the Security Council must be held urgently so that the council can take the necessary measures to address the humanitarian and human rights crisis," the groups said in a letter to Japan's prime minister.

[AqD]

This was one of the deadliest incidents in this war.In the past 24 hours about 400 civilians died by shelling.Independent sources accuse Sri lankan army for this incident although Sri Lankan army denies it and blames Tamil Tigers
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8042341.stm

That's a good reason for war!!!!!

Too bad chinese gov is at their side

[Bovril]

A diference between the Tamil situation and the Palestinian situation is that the Tamils are citizens of Sri Lanka. Occupations always get more interest than oppresion and murder of citiznes. Not saying they should, just saying they do.

[hellheaven1987]

A diference between the Tamil situation and the Palestinian situation is that the Tamils are citizens of Sri Lanka. Occupations always get more interest than oppresion and murder of citiznes. Not saying they should, just saying they do.

Which comes to the most funny part; there was an estimation that up to 1990 30% to 40% of local-borned Tamils had no citizenship, some simply refused to give citizenship by Sri Lanka government.

Nice?? Personally I think both Tamil Tiger and Sri Lanka government should send to Hades - by Nuclear missle or whatever means.

[Bovril]

Oh yeah, there is the big issue around migrant worker's descendents. I had forgotten all about that. Though that figure looks more likethe proportion of Tamils of Indian descent rather than Tamils who can'tget citizenship.
None the less, we're not talking about the occupation of a teritory outside of one's normalised state boundries.

[Bovril]

Just to throw a fact in: In 1997 and 1998 Fortune set out to discover what the most powerful lobying groups in Washington were. AIPAC came second in both studies. As far as I know, no similar study has been done since.
(American Association of Retired Persons came first both times if anyone was wondering.)